Originally posted by TheGrat1
Thor got wrecked by a brick called Kurse. Kal-El would still break his neck no problem.
Kurse was an elven general with thousands of years of fighting experience. Who was fast enough to slap Mjolnir from blindsiding him and was skilled enough to beat Thor to the punch.
That guy may be big but he ain't no brick.
Kal-el is a farm boy with zero training who has a total of 6 fights under his belt, and all but 2 of those were against opponents below his power level. And of those 2 only 1 was against a skilled opponent.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Kurse was an elven general with thousands of years of fighting experience. Who was fast enough to slap Mjolnir from blindsiding him and was skilled enough to beat Thor to the punch.That guy may be big but he ain't no brick.
Kal-el is a farm boy with zero training who has a total of 6 fights under his belt, and all but 2 of those were against opponents below his power level. And of those 2 only 1 was against a skilled opponent.
He is also nowhere near Kal-El's level or strength and durability. Thor's striking without lightning is far below a Kryptonian's paygrade. Kal-El took on Faora-Ul and Nam-Ek at the same time with no speed advantage and held his own. To think he will be taken out by a hammerless, lightningless Thor is a joke. Kal could "puny god" him and there is nothing he could do about it.
Mjolnir was moving at less than 100 mph when Kurse hit it. In the DCEU, he is a brick.
Faora-Ul/Nam-Ek, Zod, Batman, Doomsday, The Justice League, Steppenwolf.
^ 3 of his battles were with beings at or above his level. Only 4 of those were all-out fights too. Between Faora and Zod only one of them is skilled? Lol. They are Bruce Lee compared to Kurse.
He had the advantage of flight and heat vision in Smallville. He also only beat them when they separated.
Zod was kicking his ass in Metropolis. Kal-El had a puncher's chance and got it.
I don't see any of this amazing skill Kurse posesses. He walked through every Asgardian because he was stronger and tougher than them. Unless you are referring to him catching and dodging punches. Because Kal-El has done that too.
Originally posted by TheGrat1
He is also nowhere near Kal-El's level or strength and durability. Thor's striking without lightning is far below a Kryptonian's paygrade. Kal-El took on Faora-Ul and Nam-Ek at the same time with no speed advantage and held his own. To think he will be taken out by a hammerless, lightningless Thor is a joke. Kal could "puny god" him and there is nothing he could do about it.Mjolnir was moving at less than 100 mph when Kurse hit it. In the DCEU, he is a brick.
Faora-Ul/Nam-Ek, Zod, Batman, Doomsday, The Justice League, Steppenwolf.
^ 3 of his battles were with beings at or above his level. Only 4 of those were all-out fights too. Between Faora and Zod only one of them is skilled? Lol. They are Bruce Lee compared to Kurse.
Faora and Namek couldn't fly, had no heat vision or frost breath, had only hours of exposure to yellow sun whereas Superman had a lifetime, and both had helmets on that limited their exposure to earth's atmosphere. Like I said, not on Superman's power level.
None of JL were at Superman's power level and neither was Steppenwolf.
Only Zod and Doomsday were at Superman's power level and only Zod was skilled. Or at least he claims to be skilled. Honestly he never showed it. Plus Superman had backup against Doomsday.
Without Superman's speed advantage he wouldn't even land a hit on Thor. And I don't recall any durability feats from Superman that puts him above Hulk's durability, and Thor hurt Hulk with his fists just fine.
So having a high degree of fighting skill combined with strength and durability makes one a brick now eh? Guess the definition of brick has gone through some changes. Guess that makes the Winter Soldier a brick in your book as well.
Originally posted by Silent Master
It's rather telling that everyone including Thor fans have no problem agreeing that dceu Superman is stronger and faster than MCU Thor
Everyone?
Originally posted by Silent Master
However no one on the Superman side can bring themselves to admit that Thor was shown to be far more skilled.
That assumes that Thor being far more skilled is apparent to everyone. Hard if not impossible to prove.
Thor has shown superior skill. He has also shown to be a brawler at times. Either way, the stat gap is so extreme that skill will not matter.
WW is far more skilled than Superman - didn't help her in the movie, wouldn't help her in a forum debate here. And she is much faster than Thor.
Having said all that, Thor while being relatively more skilled, his skills are not at all impressive. When I think skill, I think of Captain America, Black Panther, not Thor. The fact that Depowered Thor beat up a few agents keeps getting brought up is a joke.
Other than known trolls like quan I don't know anyone that would disagree about Superman being stronger and faster.
It's not hard to prove at all, you just have to compare their various hand-to-hand feats. As an example during Thor Ragnarok he showed far more skill in his fights with the Hulk and Hela than Superman ever has.