Originally posted by snowdragonA cake IS a baked good. He refused to sell a gay couple a baked good because of his religion.
I thought it was he wouldn't bake a cake for their wedding is the problem, apparently he didn't have a problem serving them any of the baked goods he currently had to offer.
He wasn’t being asked to endorse gay marriage, just to supply the food.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The preceding 175 years of precedent are the basis for the last 53 years of antidiscrimination law.You may disagree with antidiscrimination law on principle, but that is not a position reflected in case or statute.
A cake IS a baked good. He refused to sell a gay couple a baked good because of his religion.He wasn’t being asked to endorse gay marriage, just to supply the food.
Yeah, this is a case that just reeks of a setup.
Two men walk into a bakery and ask him to bake a cake, he could have just said I'm to busy. Instead he says, look, sorry my faith etc doesn't allow me to bake a cake for your wedding however feel free to purchase any of my goods already baked.
Yeah totally seems like a legit thing to do, no wonder it's gone all the way to the supreme court
Originally posted by Firefly218
A cake IS a baked good. He refused to sell a gay couple a baked good because of his religion.He wasn’t being asked to endorse gay marriage, just to supply the food.
Okay this is getting old. Not you specifically, but the details of this. We need to know once and for all. Was it that they were asking for some random wedding cake and when he found out they were gay and it was for a gay wedding he said no?
Or was it about what they wanted him to put on the cake? This needs to be settled.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
So what you're saying is that this man should've lied instead of being upfront and honest...?
Nope, what I am saying is that IT SEEMS as though this is a gotcha lawsuit. It's not about the man kicking out two gay men or preventing service to them EXCEPT in regards to baking a cake specifically for their wedding.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
No I specifically said I oppose antidiscrimination law specifically when it comes into conflict with the first amendment. The idea that there's no legal case to be made in favor of the baker here is bullshit.
The First Amendment rights of segregationists were the justification for denying black Americans their 14th Amendment rights under Jim Crow. Do we have Jim Crow laws any more? Seems like the U.S. Supreme Court already decided about the balance of rights here.
Originally posted by Surtur
The details do matter. What did they want on the cake?
Hey, *******. They did not ask for anything on the cake. How many times does this need to be repeated to you? The couple, along with the mother of one of them, were looking through a book of wedding cake options, and when the baker approached, they said they would like to order a wedding cake. The baker immediately refused, saying that he did not sell wedding cakes to gay couples. The request was literally denied within 20 seconds of being asked, per the court documents. There is no issue of artistic expression or compelled speech here. The baker categorically denied them a right to buy any wedding cake, because they are gay.
Originally posted by CentaurSuperman
I don't like what youre ssaying. There is no close relationship between sexuality and religion, becuase religion was made to oppress people's sexuality **** it man. Religion exists to make people straight and tell them to only have sex with the opposite gender.
You may not like the facts but this is reality. People are still killed, for religious reasons, for being sexually attracted to the genitals of the same sex. Still. To this day.
The only way you can decouple religion and sexuality is if all religions disappear or only religions which do not explicitly get involved with human sexuality, are allowed.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Sure, religion and sexuality have interacted and dealt with each other since the beginning of humanity. But that doesn't mean sexuality is determined by religion, you are born with sexuality.
Dude, again...we agree. I just disagreed that there is no relationship there because there is a strong one. And there is a nice Christian movement that is all about gays being Christians. Which is great to me. So I do see, though a minority, good relationships between sexuality and religion.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Hey, *******. They did not ask for anything on the cake. How many times does this need to be repeated to you? The couple, along with the mother of one of them, were looking through a book of wedding cake options, and when the baker approached, they said they would like to order a wedding cake. The baker immediately refused, saying that he did not sell wedding cakes to gay couples. The request was literally denied within 20 seconds of being asked, per the court documents. There is no issue of artistic expression or compelled speech here. The baker categorically denied them a right to buy any wedding cake, because they are gay.
Lol, hey you smug douche: there are conflicting stories I've heard it was about the specifics. Show me the documents then.
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol, hey you smug douche: there are conflicting stories I've heard it was about the specifics. Show me the documents then.
Since you are apparently incompetent, here you go.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If I was a baker, and you requested I bake a cake for your wedding, I would bake you two. That is why this Atheist/Gay/Satanist is a better Christian than you are.
Damn, you're sexy. And I'd bake you 3 cakes, dammit. One would be a tiered wedding cake and then 2 groom cakes.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Yes ^^^ 👆 these are the Christians I can get behind. Spread love and joy, not discrimination
I know, right?!?! I don't like the poopoohead Christians. 🙁
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Since you are apparently incompetent, here you go.
So nothing, gotcha.
Originally posted by dadudemonSure, sexuality and religion have a relationship in the same way that skin color and religion have a relationship
Dude, again...we agree. I just disagreed that there is no relationship there because there is a strong one. And there is a nice Christian movement that is all about gays being Christians. Which is great to me. So I do see, though a minority, good relationships between sexuality and religion.