Trump recognizes Jerusalem as capital of Israel

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
About sixty dead and a couple thousand wounded still isn't drastic* enough to prove the Jerusalem/embassy thing would incite more violence in the region?

You're a sick ****er, Surt. Did they have to be standing around holding hands and singing while being shot to death to get a little sympathy from you?

Do you think the embassy is anything more then a pretext?

If the embassy was never moved, they'd still protest. In fact, the reason behind it wasn't even all about the embassy..

Originally posted by cdtm
Do you think the embassy is anything more then a pretext?

If the embassy was never moved, they'd still protest. In fact, the reason behind it wasn't even all about the embassy..

Bingo. But none of that matters. This has to be spun as being Trumps fault.

I feel sympathy for the dead children, but I don't blame Trump or Israel for their deaths. I blame the thuggish cult those people elected. I blame every single protester that woke up that day and thought the fact their panties were in a twist gave them license to burn, bomb, storm the borders, plant landmines etc.

And I feel anyone not blaming them is a psychopath. These people were provoked? F*ck that, a grasshoppers fart could provoke these lunatics.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Israel should have settled for rubber bullets, water cannons, and tear gas.

It’s easy to say this should have been done instead of that. But until you’re there, you can’t really know.

Hamas should have settled for those rubber landmines.

Originally posted by Surtur
Oh f*ck this stupid bullshit.

The thugs veto is done. Its over. It won't work. Violent terrorists are trash who will be "provoked" by anything and everything they feel like if they are really hankering for some destruction.

This is the fault of Hamas, not us. Get over it.

Yeah, f*ck right off with this. Don't participate in the violent riots your Hamas overlords(the ones they elected) demanded would be my advice to any protesters.

A few months ago, you claimed this was no big deal and there wouldn't be a violent conflict over it. It happened, and you were wrong. Accept it.

As far as Hamas is concerned, yeah, they're scumbags too, but it isn't hard to see why they've gained favor with Palestinians. They've given power to a group of mean bastards to protect them from those perceived as meaner bastards.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
A few months ago, you claimed this was no big deal and there wouldn't be a violent conflict over it. It happened, and you were wrong. Accept it.

As far as Hamas is concerned, yeah, they're scumbags too, but it isn't hard to see why they've gained favor with Palestinians. They've given power to a group of mean bastards to protect them from those perceived as meaner bastards.

I never claimed there would be no violence. Not once. Please go find me saying that.

And prove to me every single person who committed violence did it solely over the embassy and not the existence of Israel.

Israeli's: We will shoot you if you attempt to storm the border

Palestinians: Hear that? They said they won't shoot us if we storm the border!!

Originally posted by cdtm
Do you think the embassy is anything more then a pretext?

If the embassy was never moved, they'd still protest. In fact, the reason behind it wasn't even all about the embassy..

Not dismissing your point...just gotta get to bed.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Fuel to the fire, insult to injury, etc.

Not dismissing your point...just gotta get to bed.

Would crazed, piece of shit terrorists who are committed to committing violence...let pretty much any act add "fuel to the fire"? Yes or no, in your view?

If I ever have a child I'm gonna make sure to tell the mother : don't you dare violently protest without these kids by your side!

Originally posted by SquallX
It’s easy to say this should have been done instead of that. But until you’re there, you can’t really know.

True. up:

I think both of you are right. But Israel knows their stuff. I think they know that if it was made public that they were using rubber bullets and less-lethal measures, they'd be in for a bad time. Perhaps the "front lines" uses the less-lethal options with lethal options on back-up?

Gazan Boasts to NPR About Driving Israelis ‘Crazy’ by Putting Swastikas on Firebomb Kite: ‘We Want to Burn Them’

"NPR host Steve Inskeep reported live from the Gaza Strip after a wave of violence on Monday following mass violent demonstrations at the border fence with Israel. He spoke with a 19-year-old Gaza resident, who was holding a homemade white kite.

"This is a kite that's going to go to the Jews," the Palestinian said through a translator.

The incendiary kite, designed to catch fire, was decorated with "writing claiming Jerusalem for Palestinians" and with swastikas, the primary symbol of Nazism.

"Why do you put that on there?" Inskeep asked.

"The Jews go crazy for Hitler when they see it," the Gazan said.

"The Israelis know that people are flying kites with swastikas," Inskeep said. "They know this, and they use it to discredit you, to say this shows you're bad people. What do you think about that?"

"This is actually what we want them to know, that we want to burn them," he replied, according to Inskeep."

But hey guys...they were provoked!

And notice the reporter is more concerned about how the Israelis are discrediting these people BECAUSE THEY ARE FLYING SWASTIKAS. Let this sink in lol.

TIL: All Palestinian protestors are members of Hamas and therefore combatants and valid military targets

A Gaza doctor told the Associated Press health official that the Hamas claim that an 8-month-old baby died from Israeli tear gas was inaccurate. The LA Times state the doctor said the baby had a heart condition: http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-israel-gaza-child-20180516-htmlstory.html

Personally, I feel it very difficult to feel any kind of sympathy for any of the players here.

The Israeli government (not the ppl, mind you) are a bunch of greedy paranoid landgrabbers with itchy trigger fingers.

While the Palestinians are willing tools for their terrorist government. A government who pretty much use psychopathic tactics (on their enemies and their people) and who don't think genocide isn't all too bad an idea were they the ones with the military superiority.

Had the Palestinians not voted in Hamas, had they not been fully aware of what Hamas stood for and were they unaware of the usual tactics (of Hamas) and the Israeli response during any kind of violent protest that they participate in, then it would be very different for me.

If a bully came by and took someone's lunch money while giving him a wedgie and pushing his face into his hot soup, I would def think the bully is an *******. But if the "victim" grabs a nearby puppy, lights it on fire and uses it to club the bully, then well, I would think that they deserved each other and I would not be rooting for anyone here regardless of who started it.

You push people down into the mud long enough, they'll seek desperate measures to change their status. Hamas are a bunch of shitlords, but they're promising (empty promises mostly) change.

If Israel offered the Palestinians something better, hungry mouths and sick bodies would follow

Originally posted by Robtard
You push people down into the mud long enough, they'll seek desperate measures to change their status. Hamas are a bunch of shitlords, but they're promising (empty promises mostly) change.

If Israel offered the Palestinians something better, hungry mouths and sick bodies would follow

Are they really choiceless, tho? Can't they just leave? Are they being made to stay in Palestine somehow? TBH, tho, I only know the basics of the conflict that is readily available online, there might be nuances I am unaware of.

China is breathing down my country's neck (and a few others) and drooling over and slowly land grabbing chunks of our territory at the moment. Given a choice, if it meant war, I would definitely leave for whatever country was willing to take me in and I would terrorism would be the last think I would wanna do.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
The Israeli government (not the ppl, mind you) are a bunch of greedy paranoid landgrabbers with itchy trigger fingers.

The Israeli government are land grabbers?? Is that why Israel wanted to give the Arabs 80% of the area in 1936 with the Peel Commission?

Or when Israel agreed to a two-state solution from the UN in 1947?

Or when Israel offered the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt to the Arabs in 1967?

Or when Israel offered land to the Arabs in 2000? And again in 2008?

Or when Israel gave Gaza to the Arabs in 2005?

For a bunch of land grabbers, they do seem to be doing everything they can to give land up. Shame that the Arabs kept rejecting each offer.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Are they really choiceless, tho? Can't they just leave? Are they being made to stay in Palestine somehow? TBH, tho, I only know the basics of the conflict that is readily available online, there might be nuances I am unaware of.

China is breathing down my country's neck (and a few others) and drooling over and slowly land grabbing chunks of our territory at the moment. Given a choice, if it meant war, I would definitely leave for whatever country was willing to take me in and I would terrorism would be the last think I would wanna do.

No one seems to really want them, they're used as political tools and cannon fodder.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
The Israeli government are land grabbers?? Is that why Israel wanted to give the Arabs 80% of the area in 1936 with the Peel Commission?

Or when Israel agreed to a two-state solution from the UN in 1947?

Or when Israel offered the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt to the Arabs in 1967?

Or when Israel offered land to the Arabs in 2000? And again in 2008?

Or when Israel gave Gaza to the Arabs in 2005?

For a bunch of land grabbers, they do seem to be doing everything they can to give land up. Shame that the Arabs kept rejecting each offer.

Their gestures in the past does not make their current land grabbing actions (such as grabbing 1,000 acres of Palestinian land in 2014 among others, source: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/03/land-day-2017-israel-relentless-land-grab-continues-170329075639685.html) disappear, tho.

If their land grab efforts weren't actual land grabs, feel free to correct me.