Originally posted by Robtard
No one seems to really want them, they're used as political tools and cannon fodder.
Was it ever even discussed in the UN, tho? A mass migration of the Palestinians to end the bloodshed? I mean, I know it sucks to even consider it but what other options are there than continued bloodshed?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Their gestures in the past does not make their current land grabbing actions (such as grabbing 1,000 acres of Palestinian land in 2014 among others, source: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/03/land-day-2017-israel-relentless-land-grab-continues-170329075639685.html) disappear, tho.If their land grab efforts weren't actual land grabs, feel free to correct me.
And this:
Israel passes controversial law on West Bank settlements
Israel's parliament has passed a controversial law retroactively legalising almost 4,000 settler homes built on privately-owned Palestinian land in the occupied West Bank.
Under the legislation, the Palestinian landowners will be given financial compensation or alternative land.
The Palestinian president called the law "an aggression against our people".
Israel's attorney-general has said it is unconstitutional and that he will not defend it in the Supreme Court.
The legislation's passage comes amid an escalation in settlement activity since the inauguration of Donald Trump as US president.
Emboldened by a new administration it sees as a more sympathetic, Israel's government has advanced plans for thousands of new settler homes.-snip
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Was it ever even discussed in the UN, tho? A mass migration of the Palestinians to end the bloodshed? I mean, I know it sucks to even consider it but what other options are there than continued bloodshed?
The two-state solution is the best idea, but the warhawks in Israel and Palestine do not want that, they both want the other side eradicated.
Israel could also take in the Palestinians, making them an official part of Israel, but many in Israel believes that will end the "Jewish" aspect of the country.
Originally posted by Robtard
The two-state solution is the best idea, but the warhawks in Israel and Palestine do not want that, they both want the other side eradicated.Israel could also take in the Palestinians, making them an official part of Israel, but many in Israel believes that will end the "Jewish" aspect of the country.
Personally, given what is happening, I think the 2-state solution is the worst idea.
Kinda like communism, it requires that the participants ignore their nature and compromise solely for the common good. From where I'm looking, it just looks like the killing will continue until one wipes out the other, slowly.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Their past gestures in the past does not make their current land grabbing actions (such as grabbing 1,000 acres of Palestinian land in 2014 among others, source: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/03/land-day-2017-israel-relentless-land-grab-continues-170329075639685.html) disappear, tho.If their land grab efforts weren't actual land grabs, feel free to correct me.
Al Jazeera? Seriously? That "news" outlet has a huge history of parroting the propaganda of terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad to the point that they're acting more as a mouthpiece. Hamas Interior Ministry released a public relations video instructing how to report on events in Gaza. Surely enough, Al Jazeera coverage hewed closely to this, all to mislead viewers.
You know, the same Al Jazeera that ran a weekly show called "Sharia and Life" in which is was said that hatred of Israel and Jews is "Islamically sanctioned." Dave Marash, who resigned from his position as anchor for Al Jazeera English in 2008, did so due to a clear and present anti-American bias.
Hell, Qatar owns Al Jazeera and Qatar backs Hamas.
As for that apparent 2014 "land grab," well your oh so unbiased link fails to mention that the land was predominantly populated by Jews before 1948 and one that both American and Palestinian leaders recognized in past negotiations would remain part of Israel in any future agreement. The only thing that happened as that land was formally recognized as "state land." The vast expansion of Israeli settlements in the supposedly future Palestinian state is simply not happening.
Originally posted by NibedicusConsider that the two-state does away with Israel's crippling fear of being watered down out of their Jewishness, their xenophobia of "Jews for Israel" remains intact, Israel remains its own country and Palestine becomes [officially] it's own country so they can no longer complain their; they make it on their own or they don't. There can even be a demilitarized zone so to speak, where Israel can post soldiers on their side and Palestine can post soldiers on their side and they can spend the day making mean faces at each other, like North and South Korea do now.
Personally, given what is happening, I think the 2-state solution is the worst idea.Kinda like communism, it requires that the participants ignore their nature and compromise solely for the common good. From where I'm looking, it just looks like the killing will continue until one wipes out the other, slowly.
Originally posted by Robtard
Israel could also take in the Palestinians, making them an official part of Israel, but many in Israel believes that will end the "Jewish" aspect of the country.
20.7% of Israel's population is Arab with 70% of them being Muslim. No Jews live in Palestine. And it's kind of obvious why Israel doesn't want to take in Palestine considering that Palestine's charter calls for the killing of all the Jews and that Israel has no right to exist.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Sounds racist and/or xenophobic. 🙂
Israel is very racist/xeno when it comes to clinging onto the "Jewish Nation" title. Hasidic Jews have a large hand in this, which is funny, since they side-step Israel's mandatory military service for all citizens by claiming religious reasons. They want Israel for themselves, but they won't fight for it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Consider that the two-state does away with Israel's crippling fear of being watered down out of their Jewishness, their xenophobia of "Jews for Israel" remains intact, Israel remains its own country and Palestine becomes [officially] it's own country so they can no longer complain their; they make it on their own or they don't. There can even be a demilitarized zone so to speak, where Israel can post soldiers on their side and Palestine can post soldiers on their side and they can spend the day making mean faces at each other, like North and South Korea do now.
Yeah, if only there were a two-state solution in Nazi Germany. Then the Jews wouldn't have to worry about being watered down out of their Jewishness.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
20.7% of Israel's population is Arab with 70% of them being Muslim. No Jews live in Palestine. And it's kind of obvious why Israel doesn't want to take in Palestine considering that Palestine's charter calls for the killing of all the Jews and that Israel has no right to exist.
They're essentially second class people, similar in how we view Mexican immigrants here, they're good for menial work, but they better not expect equality.
Probably because the area is a war torn mess?
You're confusing your average Palestinian who just wants a home, a job and food/schooling for their children with Hamas and the like.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Yeah, if only there were a two-state solution in Nazi Germany. Then the Jews wouldn't have to worry about being watered down out of their Jewishness.
Oh dear... Godwin's
Your Hitler/Nazi nonsense aside, what exactly is your issue with the two-state solution? Israel would remain it's own country as is.
Originally posted by cdtm
Nothing wrong with a national identity.Unless you're white.
White people really need to stop constantly playing victim.
But there's nothing wrong with White/Euro identity and pride in of itself. The problem comes that [historically] White pride is used as a means to push others down and often still is. eg Look at the Alt-Right now and guys like Richard B. Spencer.
Personally, I find the whole race-pride and nationality-pride thing to be a bit silly regardless of who is doing it. You're most proud of something you had no say in and had to do absolutely nothing for, you just happened to be born. Be proud of something you had to work for and accomplish, imo.
Originally posted by Robtard
Oh dear... Godwin'sYour Hitler/Nazi nonsense aside, what exactly is your issue with the two-state solution? Israel would remain it's own country as is.
Well, in this case, it's not really a Godwin's Law thing since we are already talking about Jews, oppression, killing. Agreed? It's like we are talking about Cheeseburgers and someone brings up the kind of cheese that can go on a Cheeseburger.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
20.7% of Israel's population is Arab with 70% of them being Muslim. No Jews live in Palestine. And it's kind of obvious why Israel doesn't want to take in Palestine considering that Palestine's charter calls for the killing of all the Jews and that Israel has no right to exist.
I didn't know this. But based on our past conversations, I'd like to verify this to ensure it is factual.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
A Gaza doctor told the Associated Press health official that the Hamas claim that an 8-month-old baby died from Israeli tear gas was inaccurate. The LA Times state the doctor said the baby had a heart condition: http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-israel-gaza-child-20180516-htmlstory.html
And WHY the f*ck was a baby there!