Ironic that Surt and his pal are able to simultaneously shit on Hamas while taking their ever utterance as gospel.
Originally posted by ESB -11381,400 individuals injured by live fire, two reporters, five children, and two disabled people killed by live fire. According to you these people were shot on purpose? Not sure how that helps the IDF's case.
While even one civilian inadvertently killed is one too many, the notion that the IDF "fired indiscriminately" is a libelous lie.
Surt probably couldn't find Israel on a map, he's just heard the Trumper marching orders and is answering the call like a good drone.
ESB seemed to be more sensible, but he clearly has a hardon for Israel and will not see beyond that. Israel is 100% a victim; in no way responsible even in the slightest for the utterly shit situation in the region, apparently.
I'd source/link the points you listed though, to be fair and impartial.
Originally posted by Robtard
Surt probably couldn't find Israel on a map, he's just heard the Trumper marching orders and is answering the call like a good drone.ESB seemed to be more sensible, but he clearly has a hardon for Israel and will not see between the lines. Israel is 100% a victim; in no way responsible even in the slightest for the utterly shit situation in the region.
I'd source/link the points you listed though, to be fair and impartial.
One more time: do you agree with my past statement? Why is this hard to answer? Is running your mouth all you can do?
Originally posted by Robtard
You're saying because Hamas is in power over there, all Palestinians are shit.
No, I side one side is far worse than the other.
Originally posted by Surtur
There is issues on both sides because every place has issues. But both sides are nowhere near equal. The side that elected Hamas is far worse. It is alarming if you feel what I just said isn't true.
Do you disagree?
Originally posted by Robtard
In regards to Hamas, no; especially the violent factions.In regards to your average Palestinian who just wants a home, a job, schooling and food for their children, I disagree.
Neat, and one side elected Hamas. The sides are not equal. It does not mean every single Palenstinian is bad.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's the tactic you tried though, making out all the protestors to be violent Hamas recruits.
The ones that died, most were hamas. The people doing the violence were hamas. That is the reason people died. There is no other way to spin it unless you ignore facts.
This is not Israel's fault, it is not the fault of Trump. It is the fault of Hamas.
But I will state clear: yes, not all the protesters were violent.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's like a thief breaking into your home, they kill you when you attack them and they go "but he attacked me!".How do you categorize Israel's displacement of the Palestinian people?
Bullshit, it's not their home anymore. They have no right to try to get in.
And no, Israel is nowhere near as bad as Hamas. These people bring babies to violent protests.
Originally posted by Surtur
Bullshit, it's not their home anymore. They have no right to try to get in.And no, Israel is nowhere near as bad as Hamas. These people bring babies to violent protests.
You conveniently dodged, so I'll ask again: "How do you categorize Israel's displacement of the Palestinian people?"
Things like that are never pleasant, but comes nowhere near what Hamas is doing now. Using children as shields, firebombing crops with swastikas, throwing molotov cocktails, burning tires so there is a lot of smoke so they can sneak past the border. Ignoring warnings they would be shot if they tried. Planting landmines.
No, you don't get to behave that way and still be only a little bit worse than Israel. It's over, there is no justification.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, "never pleasant", this guy and his antics.It's like you expect the Palestinians who have had their homes destroyed, their lives wrecked and forced out of their lands to just be happy they also weren't killed in the process and just accept it.
I think this helps to broaden that picture and make it more vivid with the reality the Palestinians are facing/faced:
Originally posted by snowdragon
I think this helps to broaden that picture and make it more vivid with the reality the Palestinians are facing/faced:
"A visionary leader, an Israeli de Klerk, will one day recognize that the long-term security of Israeli Jews is better served by respecting the rights of Palestinians to life and dignity than by seizing their lands, discriminating against them based on their ethnicity, and violently repressing their resistance." -snip
Reminds me a little of the narrative used in the book World War Z. Israel saw the oncoming zombie apocalypse and proactively absorbed the surrounding Palestinians/Arabs into Israel before sealing itself off. The mindset was that both sides would be better off as allies fighting the hoard together, as opposed to the Palestinians becoming zombie combatants.
Buy yeah in regards to the story overall, you force people into a desperate situation, you can expect them to act desperately and to seek desperate means.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, "never pleasant", this guy and his antics.It's like you expect the Palestinians who have had their homes destroyed, their lives wrecked and forced out of their lands to just be happy they also weren't killed in the process and just accept it.
Nobody said "shut up and be happy about it" lol. What was said was "you can't f*cking get violent over this and what happened in the past doesn't justify it".
Why spin, weasel?