Originally posted by Robtard
About as peaceful as bulldozing homes, wells and crops, forcing civilians to flee their lands.
So any comment on the whole "50 out of 62 victims were hamas" thing? At all?
Do you feel someone trying to throw the violence in my face over this...might perhaps have to rethink that?
Originally posted by Robtard
Oh dear... Godwin'sYour Hitler/Nazi nonsense aside, what exactly is your issue with the two-state solution? Israel would remain it's own country as is.
Have I not gone over this enough or are you just conveniently ignoring it?
Here:
Originally posted by ESB -1138
The Israeli government are land grabbers?? Is that why Israel wanted to give the Arabs 80% of the area in 1936 with the Peel Commission?Or when Israel agreed to a two-state solution from the UN in 1947?
Or when Israel offered the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt to the Arabs in 1967?
Or when Israel offered land to the Arabs in 2000? And again in 2008?
Or when Israel gave Gaza to the Arabs in 2005?
For a bunch of land grabbers, they do seem to be doing everything they can to give land up. Shame that the Arabs kept rejecting each offer.
And again:
Originally posted by ESB -1138
The official charter of Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel as well as all the Jews saying. The Jewish state has a right to exist; Palestinian leaders believe otherwise. That's why there's no peace. IF they did want a two state solution then they would have accepted one in 1936. The Peel Commission offered a deal in which 80% of the area where most of Israel stands today would go to the Arabs while the Jews got 20%. The Jews agreed to the deal. Arabs did not. Instead they continued their violent rebellion.The UN offered a two-state solution in 1947. Jews agreed. Arabs rejected it and then launched a war against the newly formed state of Israel.
After the 1967 war, Israel offered the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt in exchange for peace. Instead, the Arab League gathered in Sudan and declared: "No peace with Israel. No recognition of Israel. No negotiations with Israel."
Israel offered land to the Arabs for Palestine in 2000 and again in 2008. Arabs rejected it and instead it was met with a wave of suicide bombings. Israel gave Gaza to the Arabs which led to Hamas running the region and bombarding Israel with rockets. The Jews have time and time again offered peace to the Arabs but the Arabs rejected it.
Palestine isn't interested in peace. They're only interested in the complete and totally eradication of Israel and the Jewish people.
What you seem to not understand is that there's a simple reason Palestinian leaders refuse to make peace with Israel and that is they don't want it. Palestine does not believe Israel has a right to exist. The official charter of Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." It calls for the murder of all Jews. It claims the Jews are responsible for all wars and revolutions. And it dismisses peaceful resolution.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Antisemitism isn't racism ....according to Leftists. [/B]
Honestly, the left dilutes the legitimacy of racism calls themselves.
The "Journolist" may not have been proof of conspiracy, but it still had representatives from the Post and the Times say "Just accuse one of them of being racist. It doesn't matter who. Then, let then bluster."
Casual commrnts off the record or no, this is the kind of thing that makes someone question every single claim, and whether there's some other agenda at work.
You do NOT use vulnerable people as tactic in your pissing contests. Not if you give a damn about victims being able to come out without having their credibility questioned.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Al Jazeera? Seriously? That "news" outlet has a huge history of parroting the propaganda of terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad to the point that they're acting more as a mouthpiece. Hamas Interior Ministry released a public relations video instructing how to report on events in Gaza. Surely enough, Al Jazeera coverage hewed closely to this, all to mislead viewers.You know, the same Al Jazeera that ran a weekly show called "Sharia and Life" in which is was said that hatred of Israel and Jews is "Islamically sanctioned." Dave Marash, who resigned from his position as anchor for Al Jazeera English in 2008, did so due to a clear and present anti-American bias.
Hell, Qatar owns Al Jazeera and Qatar backs Hamas.
As for that apparent 2014 "land grab," well your oh so unbiased link fails to mention that the land was predominantly populated by Jews before 1948 and one that both American and Palestinian leaders recognized in past negotiations would remain part of Israel in any future agreement. The only thing that happened as that land was formally recognized as "state land." The vast expansion of Israeli settlements in the supposedly future Palestinian state is simply not happening.
I actually watch sources from all sides whenever I watch/read news. I feel that in the event of multiple conflicting opinions, it is best to listen to all sides before coming up with my own opinion. I am also open to learning if I am not as informed as I should be.
With that, pls link me to the site where you feel I can get an "unbiased" look at the events on 2014.
However, I would like to point out that just because a site is predominantly populated by a certain ethnicity, doesn't mean a government suddenly has the right to declare land theirs. I've also googled the "agreement" that you mentioned and am having trouble finding the details, care to link to me where you got this info?
Wtf is it with our media dishonestly portraying this situation:
Media vilifies Israel for 8-month-old Palestinian killed during Gaza protests — here’s the caveat
"An 8-month-old child was killed in Gaza on Monday during a protest after inhaling tear gas at one of the tent camps. Layla Ghandour’s grandmother returned home with the child when she realized she was no longer breathing according to a report by Reuters.
After word got out of the child’s death, the mainstream media and Hamas used the child’s image as a way to vilify Israeli Defense Forces.
A Gaza health official told The Times of Israel that the baby had a preexisting condition and did not, in fact, die from tear gas inhalation. The doctor spoke of the child’s condition under anonymity since he’s technically unable to disclose medical information to the media."
Oh and like 40,000 total protesters spread out over multiple locations and around 62 deaths so far. Yeah, this isn't a massive amount of violence.
This is their Modus Operandi, just like the in the past groups like Hezbollah and Hamas would place stuffed animals into pictures of rubble after attacks.
“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more ‎violence. If the Jews put ‎down their weapons ‎today, there would be no ‎more Israel'‎”
Benjamin Netanyahu
You can call him a war dog all day long but it just seems that those words tend to ring true more often than not.
Originally posted by Robtard
Oh, I already covered that here:
Yep, Israel wants to eradicate Palestine so bad that they have time and time again offered land (even going as high as 80% of the land) to Palestine in exchange for peace. Israelis are such bloodthirsty warmongers.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I actually watch sources from all sides whenever I watch/read news. I feel that in the event of multiple conflicting opinions, it is best to listen to all sides before coming up with my own opinion. I am also open to learning if I am not as informed as I should be.With that, pls link me to the site where you feel I can get an "unbiased" look at the events on 2014.
However, I would like to point out that just because a site is predominantly populated by a certain ethnicity, doesn't mean a government suddenly has the right to declare land theirs. I've also googled the "agreement" that you mentioned and am having trouble finding the details, care to link to me where you got this info?
First off there's the
napkin map that marked all 1,000 acres as falling under Israeli control. This was in 2008 negotiations between Israeli Prime Minister Olmert and Palestinian President Abbas. Secondly, the 1,000 acres is in Gush Etzion and would remain part of Israel even if a peace agreement with Palestine is ever brought about.
And the Central Bureau of Statistics released a report on settlement activity to reveal that settlement construction reached a historic low in 2014 which is a 71.9% decrease from 2013. Meaning, that for Jews living in the West Bank (apprx. 300,000), that pace isn't even allowing for natural population growth, let alone rapid expansion.
Originally posted by Surtur
Wtf is it with our media dishonestly portraying this situation:Media vilifies Israel for 8-month-old Palestinian killed during Gaza protests — here’s the caveat
[b]"An 8-month-old child was killed in Gaza on Monday during a protest after inhaling tear gas at one of the tent camps. Layla Ghandour’s grandmother returned home with the child when she realized she was no longer breathing according to a report by Reuters.
After word got out of the child’s death, the mainstream media and Hamas used the child’s image as a way to vilify Israeli Defense Forces.
A Gaza health official told The Times of Israel that the baby had a preexisting condition and did not, in fact, die from tear gas inhalation. The doctor spoke of the child’s condition under anonymity since he’s technically unable to disclose medical information to the media."
Oh and like 40,000 total protesters spread out over multiple locations and around 62 deaths so far. Yeah, this isn't a massive amount of violence. [/B]
Not to mention that when 50 of the 62 people killed were Hamas and 3 have been claimed by Islamic Jihad, that means 85% of the dead were terror operatives. While even one civilian inadvertently killed is one too many, the notion that the IDF "fired indiscriminately" is a libelous lie.
Originally posted by ESB -1138
Yep, Israel wants to eradicate Palestine so bad that they have time and time again offered land (even going as high as 80% of the land) to Palestine in exchange for peace. Israelis are such bloodthirsty warmongers.
You're getting emotional and it's interfering with your rational thought. Not once did I blanket Israelis as "bloodthristy warmongers", I said the two-state will not work because there's warmongers on both sides who do not want that.
You seem hell bent on making Israel out to be some blameless victim while every Palestinian is a terrorist or future terrorist, when that's not the case at all. There's issues on both sides.
Originally posted by Surtur
There is issues on both sides because every place has issues. But both sides are nowhere near equal. The side that elected Hamas is far worse. It is alarming if you feel what I just said isn't true.
^ From the guy who tried to equalize Neo-Nazis with people who were protesting them.
Now do you understand why no one takes you seriously?
Originally posted by Robtard
You're still on that lie? I explained it to you again just recently.
Well then you might want to go read up on what a war hawk is because you obviously don't know.
Originally posted by Robtard
The two-state solution is the best idea, but the warhawks in Israel and Palestine do not want that, they both want the other side eradicated.
So, again to address the points:
Originally posted by ESB -1138
The official charter of Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel as well as all the Jews saying. The Jewish state has a right to exist; Palestinian leaders believe otherwise. That's why there's no peace. IF they did want a two state solution then they would have accepted one in 1936. The Peel Commission offered a deal in which 80% of the area where most of Israel stands today would go to the Arabs while the Jews got 20%. The Jews agreed to the deal. Arabs did not. Instead they continued their violent rebellion.The UN offered a two-state solution in 1947. Jews agreed. Arabs rejected it and then launched a war against the newly formed state of Israel.
After the 1967 war, Israel offered the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt in exchange for peace. Instead, the Arab League gathered in Sudan and declared: "No peace with Israel. No recognition of Israel. No negotiations with Israel."
Israel offered land to the Arabs for Palestine in 2000 and again in 2008. Arabs rejected it and instead it was met with a wave of suicide bombings. Israel gave Gaza to the Arabs which led to Hamas running the region and bombarding Israel with rockets. The Jews have time and time again offered peace to the Arabs but the Arabs rejected it.
Palestine isn't interested in peace. They're only interested in the complete and totally eradication of Israel and the Jewish people.
But keep ignoring it. Fact is, Israel has offered peace time and time and time and time and time again.
But-but-but...ISRAEL IS EVIL BECAUSE PROTESTS BLAH!! Yeah. The protests that were backed by Hamas military as Hamas co-founder admits here saying they are deceiving the public about peaceful protests.
But maybe we could have avoided WW2 but warhawks in England and Nazi Germany did not want that, they both wanted the other side eradicated.