Trump recognizes Jerusalem as capital of Israel

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Israel's children get killed by an organization Israel supported the creation of in order to mess shit up for Palestinian children:

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

I wonder who israel is going to **** over to avenge it's own creation.

I'm guessing the terrorist pieces of dog shit in Hamas, etc. are the ones 'bout to get f*cked over.

What's your guess on who is about to get f*cked over?

And hey if what is being said is they created this problem then...it's on them to snuff out the problem they created. Good on them. Thumbs up, drinks all around.

Originally posted by Surtur
[B]I'm guessing the terrorist pieces of dog shit in Hamas, etc. are the ones 'bout to get f*cked over.

What's your guess on who is about to get f*cked over?

Create a problem, then "solve" the problem by creating more problems for the people you created a problem for. Drink on that.

I use quotes, because this doesn't really "**** hamas over" because this adds fuel to the fire hamas is fanning. Israel keeps giving palestinians reasons to be get mad at israel, and Hamas wants people who get mad at israel.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
https://www.ochaopt.org/theme/humanitarian-impact-of-settlements

Create a problem, then "solve" the problem by creating more problems for the people you created a problem for. Drink on that.

I use quotes, because this doesn't really "**** hamas over" because this adds fuel to the fire hamas is fanning. Israel keeps giving palestinians reasons to be get mad at israel, and Hamas wants people who get mad at israel.

Neat, I hope all Hamas terrorists are killed.

Originally posted by Surtur
Neat, I hope all Hamas terrorists are killed.

If you are representing Muslims in that community, what would be you reaction? Do you understand anything in regards to Israel - Palestine issue?

Hamas terrorists my foot.

Hamas are terrorist, I love how people think these terrorists are good guys when their top victims are other Muslims

Originally posted by DarthPlaguis12
Hamas are terrorist, I love how people think these terrorists are good guys when their top victims are other Muslims

Read this again and again:

"Suppose a community which is majority Muslim and minority jews. Foreign jews arrive there in droves to settle down; they are welcomed in good faith. One day, jews band together and declare independence, splitting the community apart. Civil war ensure; jews prevail and force many Muslims to flee. The remainder are ghettoized much like Gaza and West Bank."

Prolonged conflict 'radicalizes' people. Imagine loosing your family members and homes to Israeli bulldozers one fine day.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Suppose a community which is majority Muslim and minority jews. Foreign jews arrive there in droves to settle down; they are welcomed in good faith. One day, jews band together and declare independence, splitting the community apart. Civil war ensure; jews prevail and force many Muslims to flee. The remainder are ghettoized much like Gaza and West Bank.

If you are representing Muslims in that community, what would be you reaction? Do you understand anything in regards to Israel - Palestine issue?

Hamas terrorists my foot.

I didn't see a single thing you just said to justify terrorism.

I get that you are muslim(I think) but no, these are horrible people. The terrorists, NOT every single damn palestinian.

There is no sequence of events that makes "I'm gonna paint a swastika on this kite and use to firebomb crops" or "I'm gonna plant landmines" or "I'm gonna get ultra violent at this protest where I know innocent people will be, including children". No, f*ck that noise.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Anybody (and faction) can be declared a terrorist in this age by those in power. It is important to understand how and why Hamas formed.

Read this again and again:

"Suppose a community which is majority Muslim and minority jews. Foreign jews arrive there in droves to settle down; they are welcomed in good faith. One day, jews band together and declare independence, splitting the community apart. Civil war ensure; jews prevail and force many Muslims to flee. The remainder are ghettoized much like Gaza and West Bank."

Prolonged conflict 'radicalizes' people. Imagine loosing your family members and homes to Israeli bulldozers one fine day.

So this shit causes terrorism? I understand. Did Tibet produce a lot of terrorists?

And if I was going to begin killing people who destroyed my family I would at least target those who did it. There would be a method to the madness. I wouldn't just firebomb schools cuz my family is dead. That shit is insane.

Hamas kills other Muslims, uses human shields, takes money it could use in its people n uses it to sponsor terrorism, teaches people to hate Jews.

I mean give me a break...isreal is a small area and they gave land BACK. They were attacked by countries that they’ve never even wronged. Look up what Egypt did to its Jewish population.

Originally posted by Surtur
So this shit causes terrorism? I understand. Did Tibet produce a lot of terrorists?

Israel-Palestine issue predates formation of Hamas by decades; Hamas emerged in 1987 in order to counter Israeli expansionist designs and acts of violence.

I disagree with Hamas's call for eradication of Israel but this doesn't absolve Israel from its war crimes.

The most recent chapter of violence is rooted in declaration of Jerusalem as capital of Israel by Trump administration (and subsequent shift of American embassy to this city) and not giving Palestine its due share in it. Can you not see this?

Originally posted by Surtur
And if I was going to begin killing people who destroyed my family I would at least target those who did it. There would be a method to the madness. I wouldn't just firebomb schools cuz my family is dead. That shit is insane.

Hamas has a controversial history but Israel is 10 times worse.

Lol how’s isreal worse...explain?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Define "terrorists."

Israel-Palestine issue predates formation of Hamas by decades; Hamas emerged in 1987 in order to counter Israeli expansionist designs and acts of violence.

I disagree with Hamas's call for eradication of Israel but this doesn't absolve Israel from its war crimes.

The most recent chapter of violence is rooted in declaration of Jerusalem as capital of Israel by Trump administration (and subsequent shift of American embassy to this city) and not giving Palestine its due share in it. Can you not see this?

You think that common people are CIA operatives or something? At most, they can target Israeli security forces.

Hamas has a controversial history but Israel is 10 times worse.

Let's be fair in this discussion, how many wars did Israel start and how many did they lose, that should be the start of the discussion. Where/when did this conflict start who was involved and what were their goals? Those actions set the tone for how relationships with neighbors are handled.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Define "terrorists."

Israel-Palestine issue predates formation of Hamas by decades; Hamas emerged in 1987 in order to counter Israeli expansionist designs and acts of violence.

I disagree with Hamas's call for eradication of Israel but this doesn't absolve Israel from its war crimes.

The most recent chapter of violence is rooted in declaration of Jerusalem as capital of Israel by Trump administration (and subsequent shift of American embassy to this city) and not giving Palestine its due share in it. Can you not see this?

You think that common people are CIA operatives or something? At most, they can target Israeli security forces.

Hamas has a controversial history but Israel is 10 times worse.

Nobody is saying Hamas being terrible absolves ANYONE else of any crimes they may have committed. What is being said is what was done to them does not make everything they do justified.

And Israel isn't worse. And not everyone who has suffered like the Palestinians reacted this way to it. It is ISLAM that is what is driving this abhorrent behavior. It is because of Islam that they hate all Jews. Islam was hating Jews long before Israel. Your prophet hated Jews, do you revere Muhammad or will you call him a piece of shit?

Originally posted by Surtur
Nobody is saying Hamas being terrible absolves ANYONE else of any crimes they may have committed. What is being said is what was done to them does not make everything they do justified.

And Israel isn't worse. And not everyone who has suffered like the Palestinians reacted this way to it. It is ISLAM that is what is driving this abhorrent behavior. It is because of Islam that they hate all Jews. Islam was hating Jews long before Israel. Your prophet hated Jews, do you revere Muhammad or will you call him a piece of shit?

ISLAM has nothing to do with Israel - Palestine conflict; this conflict is territorial (not religious). And no! Muslims do not hate all Jews in general. Much of the hatred, is directed towards Zionists (Jewish fundamentalists) who envision formation of Greater Israel in the Middle East no matter the cost.

Holy Prophet (PBUH) did not hate Jews; he made a pact with the Jews of Medina for cooperation in the matters of security and economy but they violated the terms of the pact by colluding with pagans of Mecca who were conspiring against the Muslims and wanted to kill them all. Holy Prophet (PBUH) had no choice but to fight and Muslims prevailed in these conflicts.

Get your facts straight.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Israel isn't worse? Killing unarmed Palestinians; detaining Palestinians without offering them fair trial; bombing Gaza; bulldozing homes in the West Bank; turning Gaza into a Ghetto; these are mild issues, right?

ISLAM has nothing to do with Israel - Palestine conflict; this conflict is territorial (not religious). And no! Muslims do not hate all Jews in general. Much of the hatred, is directed towards Zionists (Jewish fundamentalists) who envision formation of Greater Israel in the Middle East no matter the cost.

Holy Prophet (PBUH) did not hate Jews; he made a pact with the Jews of Medina for cooperation in the matters of security and economy but they backstabbed him by colluding with pagans of Mecca who were conspiring against the Muslims and wanted to kill them all.

Get your facts straight.

That Last Sentence in this is the One that is one that should be Taken to heart the most.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Let's be fair in this discussion, how many wars did Israel start and how many did they lose, that should be the start of the discussion. Where/when did this conflict start who was involved and what were their goals? Those actions set the tone for how relationships with neighbors are handled.

THE ZIONISM MOVEMENT

In the late 19th and early 20th century, an organized religious and political movement known as Zionism emerged among Jews.

Zionists wanted to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Massive numbers of Jews immigrated to the ancient holy land and built settlements. Between 1882 and 1903, about 35,000 Jews relocated to Palestine. Another 40,000 settled in the area between 1904 and 1914.

Many Jews living in Europe and elsewhere, fearing persecution during the Nazi reign, found refuge in Palestine and embraced Zionism. After the Holocaust and World War II ended, members of the Zionist movement primarily focused on creating an independent Jewish state.

Arabs in Palestine resisted the Zionism movement, and tensions between the two groups continue. An Arab nationalist movement developed as a result.

Source: https://www.history.com/topics/history-of-israel

That is how the conflict started. I appreciate the honesty of HISTORY in highlighting such facts.

Neighboring states intervened on the behalf of Palestinians in 1948 but failed to dismantle Israel. Additional wars occurred due to a number of factors; not restricted to Palestine.

Arabs are giving peaceful resolution of (ongoing) Israel - Palestine conflict full chance since 1973, to no avail. Israel continue to oppress Palestinians in different ways whereas US accord unconditional protection to Israel in the UN.

Hopeless.

So much CRAP in that.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sure.

[B]THE ZIONISM MOVEMENT

In the late 19th and early 20th century, an organized religious and political movement known as Zionism emerged among Jews.

Zionists wanted to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Massive numbers of Jews immigrated to the ancient holy land and built settlements. Between 1882 and 1903, about 35,000 Jews relocated to Palestine. Another 40,000 settled in the area between 1904 and 1914.

Many Jews living in Europe and elsewhere, fearing persecution during the Nazi reign, found refuge in Palestine and embraced Zionism. After the Holocaust and World War II ended, members of the Zionist movement primarily focused on creating an independent Jewish state.

Arabs in Palestine resisted the Zionism movement, and tensions between the two groups continue. An Arab nationalist movement developed as a result.

Source: https://www.history.com/topics/history-of-israel

That is how the conflict started. I appreciate the honesty of HISTORY in highlighting such facts.

Neighboring states intervened on the behalf of Palestinians in 1948 but failed to dismantle Israel. Additional wars occurred due to a number of factors; not restricted to Palestine.

Arabs are giving peaceful resolution of (ongoing) Israel - Palestine conflict full chance since 1973, to no avail. Israel continue to oppress Palestinians in different ways whereas US accord unconditional protection to Israel in the UN.

Hopeless. [/B]

Yup it sucks that the ottoman empire in ww1 backed the wrong team.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Yup it sucks that the ottoman empire in ww1 backed the wrong team.

Why not create Israel in Germany or Russia? Why not in USA?

Ottoman is a lame excuse; it dissolved after WW1.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Europeans and Soviets oppressed Jews but Palestinians had to pay the price for it? Fantastic solution.

Why not create Israel in Germany or Russia? Why not in USA?

Ottoman is a lame excuse; it dissolved after WW1.

Two Reasons why you Can't have the New Israel in Germany.
One that little Misunderstanding with the Adolf Crowd back in the day about Cook Outs.

That and the New Ottoman Empire being Built in Germany is already there. EurAsia is on the Rise.