Android #17 vs Mystic Gohan

Originally posted by carver9
He blew Cell in half not knowing the results. He killed Frieza. Killed Kid Buu. Do I need to keep going? He stood in one spot and asked Krillin to attack. This is completely different than trying to take out your opponent. Look at the Jiren and Hit fight.

Regardless, killing his opponent(s) is unequivocally a last resort for Goku... Something he'll only do if there are no other options, and his friends/family/earth/universe are at stake.

Originally posted by Galan007
*There is context to most of these instances.

Regardless, I cannot recall an instance where Goku has gone into a fight with the premeditated intent of killing his opponent(s). He might come to that conclusion later on in the story/fight, but killing someone is NEVER the first option for him.

...Which is NewGuy's point, I'd imagine.

He did in DB when he destroyed Tambourine. He went into the fight with intent of killing him. Also against King Piccolo.

^ Check my edit.

Though the fact that you have to go all the way back to Tambourine and King Piccolo sort of proves the point. 😛

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Check my edit.

Though the fact that you have to go all the way back to Tambourine and King Piccolo sort of proves the point. 😛

Well, Goku really also wanted to kill Black (episode 61). There is no doubt he wanted to kill him. Actually, very similar to what happened against Tambourine. So angry and he went for a kill.

Again, context. By that point Goku already knew that Black/Zamasu HAD TO be destroyed... It was literally the ONLY way to stop them.

It's not like he had just met them for the first time, and went in for the kill right away, lol.

Originally posted by Galan007
Again, context. By that point Goku already knew that Black/Zamasu HAD TO be destroyed... It was literally the ONLY way to stop them.

It's not like he had just met them for the first time, and went in for the kill right away, lol.

Of course it depends on a context. And against major villains he went for a kill. From Tao Pai Pai to Black, almost always lol 😉

Originally posted by Galan007
*There is context to most of these instances.

Regardless, killing his opponent(s) is unequivocally a last resort for Goku... Something he'll only do if there are no other options, and his friends/family/earth/universe are at stake.

Which means majority if not all of the time, he holds back due to his hero card. He doesn't go all out... this is plain and clear and thinking he went all out against Krillin and Android 17 when we know he holds back against some of the most evil villains ever isn't logical thinking.

Originally posted by carver9
Which means majority if not all of the time, he holds back due to his hero card. He doesn't go all out... this is plain and clear and thinking he went all out against Krillin and Android 17 when we know he holds back against some of the most evil villains ever isn't logical thinking.

When he holds back it's has nothing to do with his hero card. He holds back when he sees an opponent is not in his league or sparrings/friends like against 17 and Krillin etc... what has that do do with hero card with his friends.

He is a an ordinary good man in this department, of course he won't hurt his friends, and when needed he destroys his opponent, and if his friend is hurt by someone, he will struck you down in rage.

Goku never holds back when there is a serious fight, completely never and he goes all out against major villains he also went for a kill.

He is like any other fighter with normal/good hearth.

Context context and context... it always depends on a context.

And the fact he was excited to fight #17, and commented on his ridiculous strength, proves he wasn't holding back.

But Carver always has an excuse. When Roshi beat three strong characters, and ended by sending one out of the ring, he insisted he wasn't actually hurting him and only pushed him out.

I bet if we got character statements that Roshi was holding his own with a not holding back at all Vegeta blue, he'd find a way to make excuses.

He just can't accept that, just maybe, the definition of power levels have changed over the years, a now a skilled human can legitimately hold his own with a Super Saiyan.

Maybe Roshi could genuinely defeat Golden Freeza through skill alone now. Just like base Goku used skill to keep ahead of SSJ Caulifala.

Gohan can't win any fight, period. That's what makes him Gohan.

Originally posted by Inedian
When he holds back it's has nothing to do with his hero card. He holds back when he sees an opponent is not in his league or sparrings/friends like against 17 and Krillin etc... what has that do do with hero card with his friends.

He is a an ordinary good man in this department, of course he won't hurt his friends, and when needed he destroys his opponent, and if his friend is hurt by someone, he will struck you down in rage.

Goku never holds back when there is a serious fight, completely never and he goes all out against major villains he also went for a kill.

He is like any other fighter with normal/good hearth.

Context context and context... it always depends on a context.

Originally posted by Inedian
When he holds back it's has nothing to do with his hero card. He holds back when he sees an opponent is not in his league or sparrings/friends like against 17 and Krillin etc... what has that do do with hero card with his friends.

He is a an ordinary good man in this department, of course he won't hurt his friends, and when needed he destroys his opponent, and if his friend is hurt by someone, he will struck you down in rage.

Goku never holds back when there is a serious fight, completely never and he goes all out against major villains he also went for a kill.

He is like any other fighter with normal/good hearth.

Context context and context... it always depends on a context.

You basically said what I said... just disagreed with the hero card and basically said he is just a good guy. I don't disagree with this. All if know is, he didn't have the same mindset against 17 or Krillin vs what he had against Hit and Jiren. Do you agree?

Originally posted by carver9
You basically said what I said... just disagreed with the hero card and basically said he is just a good guy. I don't disagree with this. All if know is, he didn't have the same mindset against 17 or Krillin vs what he had against Hit and Jiren. Do you agree?

Nope.

Anyone else besides CDTM would like to comment on my last response?

Originally posted by carver9
Anyone else besides CDTM would like to comment on my last response?

Nope.

Originally posted by carver9
All if know is, he didn't have the same mindset against 17 or Krillin vs what he had against Hit and Jiren. Do you agree?

Of course he didn't. I agree.

Thanks buddy

Actually I think he had the same mindset against Hit, and Jiren, and 17. Because he just wanted to fight them, each fight was a game to him. And each fight pushed him further than he thought he was going to need. And all three fights excited him.

Originally posted by Inedian
Of course he didn't. I agree.

I SAID "nope". 😠

17

I refuse to believe the writing is so shit that gohan is God level
From playing tag with piccolo for a half hour

I ****ing refuse

The manga has to clarify this horse shit