Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
You say that free speech and the 2nd amendment are left-wing stances and I just scratch my head.
Don't confuse authoritarianism with libertarianism: different axes from left-wing and right-wing politics.
Auth-Left: "No guns! Only the communist state can have guns to enforce the greater good on the people!"
Lib-Left: "Everyone should have guns to keep the state from enforcing their will on the people."
Use this as a reference:
Originally posted by wxyz
Whirly and Robtard would be in the upper left, off the graph.
Whirly already clarified that he's auth-left. "Labourism" and "Collectivism." Which is slight auth-left.
Robtard, Silent Master, and I are all very close to each other on the Political Spectrum, according to the results. haermm
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, he didn't actually vote for Clinton in 2016. That was all a ploy to look like a balanced guy. He's a Trumper, he's voting for Trump again, he's one of you. Embrace little Benny. Embrace him.Actually... http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=6097
Do you have a source to prove he voted for Trump in 2016?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Don't confuse authoritarianism with libertarianism: different axes from left-wing and right-wing politics.Auth-Left: "No guns! Only the communist state can have guns to enforce the greater good on the people!"
Lib-Left: "Everyone should have guns to keep the state from enforcing their will on the people."
Use this as a reference:
The problem is that I don't agree with how that chart breaks down the political spectrum. I don't view it as the end all be all as you do.
Regardless of what that flawed chart says, it is the true right wing that is opposed to the government forcing their will on the individual. It is the right that is opposed to big government authoritarianism. It is the right that believes in individualism over collectivism.
I get it that that is something we will never agree on though and that is fine. We both support free speech and the right to bear arms though whatever we wanna call ourselves.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
The problem is that I don't agree with how that chart breaks down the political spectrum.
That's why political science exists as an area of study. People come up with terms and definitions so we can all speak the same language and understand the same political philosophies (and then form our own theses regarding those).
Or we end up in confusing situations like this.
For example, if I decided to start calling all Labour Party members, Anarchists, it would make no sense at all. the Labour Party is an auth-left party, not anarchists. So you use the correct terms and definitions, as agreed upon by the political science community for hundreds of years, to stay within the same language.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
It is the true right wing that is opposed to the government forcing their will on the individual. It is the right that is opposed to big government authoritarianism. It is the right that believes in individualism over collectivism. I get it that that is something we will never agree on though and that is fine. We both support free speech and the right to bear arms though whatever we wanna call ourselves.
There are 2 axes to the political spectrum. There is the authoritarian vs. libertarian axis, and the left-wing vs. right-wing axis.
Libertarian: more individual liberty
Authoritarian: less individual liberty
Do not confuse the political science definitions with the actual political parties: that's where it can get confusing. Libertarianism is a massive political spectrum of beliefs that range from right-wing libertarianism to left-wing libertarianism. It's huge!!!