he look like us??the beloved???

@ennin: Once again, you have proven you're a chronic liar by quoting scripture that you keep mishandling. Do you really want me to post Quran verses that suggest that Jesus is the God of the Quran?

Firstly, the fact that the Old Testament God says he's not a man in Numbers 23:19 and Hosea 11:9 doesn't mean he can't be a man. It does not invalidate the idea of him taking on the form of a man, so there's no contradiction between the concept of Jesus the God-man and the Old Testament God saying he's not a man. Secondly, even if we pretend your assertion is true, this can easily be resolved by assuming that the Old Testament God that's talking is the Father, not the Son. The Son is the one who's taking on human form, and in case you bombard me with more lies by saying the Trinity isn't biblical and is a later development that came a long time later, read this before you try responding: http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/thompson/trinity.html

Thirdly, the fact that Jesus is called the Son of Man actually proves the exact opposite of what you're trying to prove. Let's read from Daniel 7:13-14 on who the Son of Man is:

"As my vision continued that night, I saw someone like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient One and was led into his presence. He was given authority, honor, and sovereignty over all the nations of the world, so that people of every race and nation and language would obey him. His rule is eternal--it will never end. His kingdom will never be destroyed." - Daniel 7:13-14.

And let's see what happened to Jesus when he called himself the Son of Man:

"But Jesus was silent and made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?" Jesus said, "I Am. And you will see the Son of Man seated in the place of power at God's right hand and coming on the clouds of heaven." Then the high priest tore his clothing to show his horror and said, "Why do we need other witnesses? You have all heard his blasphemy. What is your verdict?" "Guilty!" they all cried. "He deserves to die!" Then some of them began to spit at him, and they blindfolded him and beat him with their fists. "Prophesy to us," they jeered. And the guards slapped him as they took him away." - Mark 14:62-65.

Ennin, can you explain to me why the High Priest and other Religious leaders accused Jesus of blasphemy, beat him, captured him and called for his death? If you think the fact that Jesus is called the Son of Man means he's just a man, then that means you believe that it was blasphemy for Jesus to call himself a man, which is obviously farcical and false.

you must know

You alone will bear the results and consequences

after death

You are alone and no one else

allah is remain does not change or die

We change and die

And the laws of allah remain

. The Bible Says that Jesus Denied He is God

Luke 18:19 Jesus spoke to a man who had called him “good,” asking him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.”

Matthew 19:17 And he said to him, “Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Jesus did not teach people that he was God. If Jesus had been telling people that he was God, he would have complimented the man. Instead, Jesus rebuked him, denying he was good, that is, Jesus denied he was God.

4. The Bible Says that God is Greater than Jesus

John 14:28 “My Father is greater than I.”

John 10:29 “My father is greater than all.”

Jesus can not be God if God is greater than him. The Christian belief that the Father and son are equal is in direct contrast to the clear words from Jesus.

5. Jesus Never Instructed His Disciples to Worship Himself or the Holy Ghost, but God and God Only

Luke 11:2 “When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.”

John 16:23 “In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.”

John 4:23 “The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.”

If Jesus was God, he would have sought worship for himself. Since he didn’t, instead he sought worship for God in the heavens, therefore, he was not God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdViBmBlgWE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Grep_EVyWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79MNhZ2aNpk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1KcDQ2v2rQ

"I'm not God, but I am magic"-Jesus H. Christ

@EnninL The quotation system is ****ed up, which means I can't quote anything from your cluster**** of a post.

Jesus isn't denying that he is God in Luke 18:19, he's asking that man why he's calling him (Jesus) good when only God is good because he wants that man the implications of Jesus's identiy if he's actually good. If Jesus said that he wasn't good, then you might have a point. But if the same Jesus was not God as you are falsely asserting, this would be a really good time for him to say something like "HEY I AM NOT GOOD BECAUSE I AM NOT GOD" or at least "I am not good" for you to prove your pitiful distortion of Bible passages. Matthew 19:17 doesn't remotely prove your point either because all what Jesus is saying is that only God is good when he's being asked what is good. Do you even read these passages? Jesus never rebuked that man for asking that question, nor did he even remotely deny that he was good. This is just some misguided nonsense you're shoehorning in those passages.

As for John 14:28 and John 10:29, Jesus only declared inferiority to the Father because of he has human nature. The same Gospel you're quoting says Jesus is God in the flesh (read John 1:1-14).

At this point it's almost as if you're doing this on purpose; Jesus did accept worship in the Bible you're trying to use against Trinitarian Christians. A few pages ago I literally showed you at least 6 crystal clear references of Jesus recieving and accepting worship from all 4 Gospels, including the Synoptic Gospels.

@Ennin: Since you have a habit of spamming me with irrelevant links of Islamic missionaries trying to disprove the deity of Christ, usually ones with Ahmed Deedat or Zakir Naik (seriously... Zakir Naik is a joke and Ahmed Deedat's questions have been answered a million times) I am going to send you videos of Christian Prince (someone who will probably give you nightmares, lol) showing how Jesus is the God of the Quran. Enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZU1Wyv0laA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oKvD7OumF8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRJtoxsMRek

6. The Bible Says that Jesus Recognized, Prayed, & Worshipped the Only True God

Jesus prayed to God with the words:

John 17:3 “…that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”

Jesus prayed to God all night:

Luke 6:12 “he continued all night in prayer to God.”

…because:

Matthew 20:28: Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve.

How did Jesus pray to God?

Matthew 26:39 ‘…he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father…”

Even Paul said:

Hebrews 5:7 “During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.”

Who was Jesus praying to when he fell on his face with loud cries and petitions? Was it himself? Was Jesus crying in tears to himself pleading to be saved from death? No man, sane or insane, prays to himself! Surely the answer must be a resounding ‘No.’ Jesus was praying to “the only true God.” Jesus was the servant of the One Who sent him. Can there be a clearer proof that Jesus was not God?

The Quran confirms that Jesus called for the worship of the Only True God:

“Truly, God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (alone). This is the straight path.” (Quran 3:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1unL43spDiE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Egarrd8pdw
As the prophet Isaiah chapter 7 verse 14 says, 'Therefore the Lord Himself shall give
you a sign: Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name
Immanuel- which Matthew defines as: Immanuel is God with us.
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that is the truth

Unfortunately

قصة إسلام الداعية الاسترالي موسى سرنتونيو - مترجم - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqS_lRsWMGE

open your eyes

before it's late

allah guide you
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There are a lot of priests and monks are very good

allah save them

And send to them guidance

And opens their eyes to the truth and to convert to Islam

Publish the truth after recognition

And shed tears after the light of guidance an expression of joy

So God praise those priests and monks

110. You [true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah (legal ways, etc.)] Are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma'ruf (ie Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden), and you believe in Allah. And had the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are Al-Fasiqun (disobedient to Allah - and rebellious against Allah's Command).
3. Surah Ale-Imran

القس كانينجهام يحكى اسلامه على يد أحمد ديدات YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZP3CN05CbI

كيف يكون محمد خاتم الرسل والمسيح سيعود مره اخرى بعده ؟ احمد ديدات YouTube

مقطع مؤثر- يوسف استس مع شاب مسيحي - مترجم YouTube

Eninn, I respect how you never let the aggression towards your posts bring you down to the level of those attacking you. Good job!

gazak allah khiran brother

allah says in the Holy Qur'an ((125) Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guidedghtly] guided

inshaallah

allah will help me always

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Son of God, son of David, or son of Man? Jesus is identified as “son of David” fourteen times in the New Testament, starting with the very first verse (Matthew 1:1). The Gospel of Luke documents forty-one generations between Jesus and David, while Matthew lists twenty-six. Jesus, a distant descendant, can only wear the “son of David” title metaphorically. But how then should we understand the title, “son of God?”

The “Trilemma,” a common proposal of Christian missionaries, states that “Jesus was either a lunatic, a liar, or the Son of God, as he claimed to be.” For the sake of argument, let’s agree that Jesus was neither a lunatic nor a liar. Let’s also agree he was precisely what he claimed to be. But what, exactly, was that? Jesus called himself “Son of Man” frequently, consistently, perhaps even emphatically, but where did he call himself “Son of God?”

Let’s back up. What does “Son of God” mean in the first place? No legitimate Christian sect suggests that God took a wife and had a child, and most certainly none conceive that God fathered a child through a human mother outside of marriage. Furthermore, to suggest that God physically mated with an element of His creation is so far beyond the limits of religious tolerance as to plummet down the sheer cliff of blasphemy, chasing the mythology of the Greeks.

With no rational explanation available within the tenets of Christian doctrine, the only avenue for closure is to claim yet one more doctrinal mystery. Here is where the Muslim recalls the question posed in the Quran:

“…How can He have a son when He has no consort?...” (Quran 6:101)

…while others shout, “But God can do anything!” The Islamic position, however, is that God doesn’t do inappropriate things, only Godly things. In the Islamic viewpoint, God’s character is integral with His being and consistent with His majesty.

So again, what does “Son of God” mean? And if Jesus Christ has exclusive rights to the term, why does the Bible record, “...for I (God) am a father to Israel, and Ephraim (i.e. Israel) is my firstborn” (Jeremiah 31:9) and, “...Israel is My son, even my firstborn” (Exodus 4:22)? Taken in the context of Romans 8:14, which reads, “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God,” many scholars conclude that “Son of God” is metaphorical and, as with christos, doesn’t imply exclusivity. After all, The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion confirms that in Jewish idiom “Son of God” is clearly metaphorical. To quote, “Son of God, term occasionally found in Jewish literature, biblical and post-biblical, but nowhere implying physical descent from the Godhead.”[1] Hasting’s Bible Dictionary comments:

In Semitic usage “sonship” is a conception somewhat loosely employed to denote moral rather than physical or metaphysical relationship. Thus “sons of Belial” (Jg 19:22 etc.) are wicked men, not descendants of Belial; and in the NT the “children of the bridechamber” are wedding guests. So a “son of God” is a man, or even a people, who reflect the character of God. There is little evidence that the title was used in Jewish circles of the Messiah, and a sonship which implied more than a moral relationship would be contrary to Jewish monotheism.[2]

And in any case, the list of candidates for “son of God” begins with Adam, as per Luke 3:38: “...Adam, which was the son of God.”

Those who rebut by quoting Matthew 3:17 (“And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, ‘This is My beloved son, in whom I am well pleased’”) have overlooked the point that the Bible describes many people, Israel and Adam included, as “sons of God.” Both II Samuel 7:13-14 and I Chronicles 22:10 read, “He (Solomon) shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his Father, and he shall be My son.”

Entire nations are referred to as sons, or children of God. Examples include:

Genesis 6:2, “That the sons of God saw the daughters of men…”

Genesis 6:4, “There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men…”

Deuteronomy 14:1, “Ye are the children of the Lord your God.”

Job 1:6, “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD…”

Job 2:1, “Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD…”

Job 38:7, “When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

Philippians 2:15, “that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation…”

1 John 3:1-2, “Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! … Beloved, now we are children of God…”

In Matthew 5:9 Jesus says, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.” Later in Matthew 5:45, Jesus prescribed to his followers the attainment of noble attributes, “that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.” Not exclusively his Father, but their Father …
Is Jesus (PBUH) a God or son of God ? Dr Zakir Naik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yEq172Yvs4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HBWZ45UJLI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pib5itVAA98

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHsLecQe1so

greatest man walked on the earth is prophet mohammed asw.

Jamil Jeddah Ennin.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Eninn, I respect how you never let the aggression towards your posts bring you down to the level of those attacking you. Good job!

Try harder.

Actually, I do admire Eninn for sticking with his pedophile warlord.

The Bible is a logical catastrophe that's impossible to get your head around, especially on the identity of Prophet Jesus. For example, Jesus presented God because he has a lot of divine attributes, and is repeatedly identified by the Gospel of John as Yahweh, but at the same time, he also calls the Father his own God, even in that same Gospel. It's not only John who presents Jesus is divine, Matthew, Mark and Luke also glorify Jesus as a divine being, and even the other books of the New Testament also glorify Jesus (Paul takes to the extreme to the point he's basically jacking off to Jesus). However, Christianity is still false. It's good that many Christians that apostasies turn to Islam.

Islam is the #1 growing religion in the world.

Originally posted by MuslimForLife
The Bible is a logical catastrophe that's impossible to get your head around, especially on the identity of Prophet Jesus. For example, Jesus presented God because he has a lot of divine attributes, and is repeatedly identified by the Gospel of John as Yahweh, but at the same time, he also calls the Father his own God, even in that same Gospel. It's not only John who presents Jesus is divine, Matthew, Mark and Luke also glorify Jesus as a divine being, and even the other books of the New Testament also glorify Jesus (Paul takes to the extreme to the point he's basically jacking off to Jesus). However, Christianity is still false. It's good that many Christians that apostasies turn to Islam.

Jesus is magic. Don't question it.

Originally posted by Surtur
Here is the thing you don't get though. Christianity is focused on because that religion has a vastly larger effect on this country then Islam or anything else. You see Radical Islam is the enemy, but you say it as if it's the only threat. Christianity represents are different kind of problem, it's more subtle..not something physical.

As much as people might be afraid of terrorists, Christianity has far more of an effect on the everyday lives of people in this country.

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🙂

yes brother
فمن يرد الله أن يهديه يشرح صدره للإسلام ومن يرد أن يضله يجعل صدره ضيقا حرجا كأنما يصعد في السماء كذلك يجعل الله الرجس على الذين لا يؤمنون 125
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There are several key verses which Christians use to prove the biblical origin of the Trinity. Upon analysis of these verses, one can clearly see that they do not prove the Trinity, but rather the same monotheistic message of God. One of the most frequently cited passages from the Bible is Isaiah 9:6-7, from which Christians conclude that the Messiah must be God incarnate. The passage states:

“or a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness from then on and forevermore the zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this.”

That Isaiah 9:6 has been misinterpreted can be seen from the fact that Jesus is never called the “Eternal Father” anywhere else in Bible. Since the Trinitarian doctrine teaches that Christians should “neither confound the Persons nor divide the Substance” (Athanasian Creed), how can the Trinitarians accept that Jesus is the “Eternal Father”? Let us consider additional facts impartially.

First, all the Hebrew verb forms in Isaiah 9:6 are in the past tense. For example, the word which the Christian Bibles render as “his name will be called” is the two words ‘vayikra shemo,’ which properly translated, should read “his name was called.” The word “vayikra” is the first word to appear in the book of Leviticus (1:1), and it is translated properly over there – in the past tense. In addition, the King James Version translates the same verbs elsewhere in the past tense in Genesis 4:26 and Isaiah 5:25. Only in Isaiah 9:6-7 are these verbs translated in the future tense!

Notice that it says “a child HAS been born to us.” This is an event that has just occurred, not a future event. Isaiah is not making a prophecy, but recounting history. A future event would say a child will be born to us, but this is NOT what the verse says. The Christian translations capitalize the word ‘son’ assuming that this is a messianic prophecy and the names of a divine son.

Second, the two letter word “is”, is usually not stated in Hebrew. Rather, “is” is understood. For example, the words “hakelev” (the dog) and “gadol” (big), when joined into a sentence - hakelev gadol - means “the dog IS big,” even though no Hebrew word in that sentence represents the word “is.” A more accurate translation of the name of that child, then, would be “A wonderful counselor is the mighty God, the everlasting father ...”. This name describes God, not the person who carries the name. The name Isaiah itself means “God is salvation,” but no one believes the prophet himself is God in a human body!

Third, the phrase “Mighty God” is a poor translation according to some biblical scholars. Although English makes a clear distinction between “God” and “god,” the Hebrew language, which has only capital letters, cannot. The Hebrew word “God” had a much wider range of application than it does in English. Some suggest a better translation for the English reader would be “mighty hero,” or “divine hero.” Both Martin Luther and James Moffatt translated the phrase as “divine hero” in their Bibles.

Fourth, according to the New Testament, Jesus was never called any of these names in his lifetime.

Fifth, if Isaiah 9:6 is taken to refer to Jesus, then Jesus is the Father! And this is against the Trinitarian doctrine.

Sixth, the fact that the New Testament does not quote this passage shows that even the New Testament authors didn’t take this verse to be in reference to Jesus.

Seventh, the passage is talking about the wonders performed by the Lord for Hezekiah, king of Judah. Preceding verses in Isaiah 9 talk of a great military triumph by Israel over its enemies. At the time Isaiah is said to have written this passage, God had just delivered King Hezekiah and Jerusalem from a siege laid by the Assyrians under General Sennacherib. The deliverance is said to have been accomplished in spectacular fashion: an angel went into the Assyrian camp and killed 185,000 soldiers while they slept. When Sennacherib awoke to find his army decimated, he and the remaining soldiers fled, where he was assassinated by his own sons (Isaiah 37:36-38). Chapters 36 and 37 of Isaiah recount how Hezekiah stood firm in the face of Sennacherib’s vast army and his blasphemous words against the God. When all seemed lost, Hezekiah continued to trust in the Lord, and for this he was rewarded with a miraculous victory. It is interesting to note that the statement, “the zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this,” found at the end of Isaiah 9:7, is found in only two other places in the Bible: Isaiah 37:32 and 2 Kings 19:31. Both these passages discuss the miraculous deliverance of Hezekiah by God. Therefore, in light of the above, Isaiah is recounting God’s defense of Jerusalem during the Assyrian siege. Furthermore, Soncino’s commentary says the chapter is about the fall of Assyria and the announcement of the birth of Hezekiah, the son of Ahaz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl_VVivr1dc

"Ask the Sheikh" by Musa cerantonio ( Replacing Perfection ...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNCiWr7NURk

7. The Bible says that the disciples did not believe Jesus was God.
The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, was raised to heaven. Throughout this period, they never referred to Jesus as God. For instance Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed a crowd saying:

Acts 2:22 “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.”
For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God (confirmed in Matthew 12:18):
Acts 3:13 “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.”
Acts 3:26 “God raised up his servant...”
When faced by opposition from the authorities, Peter said:
Acts 5:29-30 “We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus...”
The disciples prayed to God just as they were commanded by Jesus in Luke 11:2, and considered Jesus to be God’s servant,
Acts 4:24 “...they raised their voices together in prayer to God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’”

Acts 4:27 “...your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.”
Acts 4:30 “…of Your holy servant Jesus.”
This is exactly what the Quran states of Jesus:
Quran 19: 30 “…I am indeed a servant of God.”

8. The Bible says that Jesus was God’s servant, chosen one, and beloved.
Matt. 12:18 “Behold, My servant, whom I have chosen, in whom My soul is well pleased.”
Since Jesus is God’s servant, Jesus can not be God.

9. The Bible says that Jesus could not Do Anything by Himself.
John 5:19 “The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing.”
John 5:30 “I can of mine own self do nothing.”
Jesus did not consider himself equal with God, rather he denied doing anything by himself.

الشيخ ديدات الأب والأبن والأم والروح القدس
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_UZ_pa2n94

الشيخ احمد ديدات يثبت تلاميذ وتابعين المسيح لم يفهموه youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grz-lIKoFN4

--Paul
he Is the founder of Christianity
Have nothing to do with the true gospel

احمد ديدات التزييف فى الكتاب المقدس - Plaigirism in The Bible YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olNROAafhuc&spfreload=10

Ima have to give Yousuf props for having the patience and diligence to respond to all of this.

@Ennin: Almost all of your most recent claims are regurgitations of old arguments that I have addressed, and some of your most recent claims are based on conjecture, meaning that they that only work if you cherry pick the Bible and completely ignore all the passages that scream Jesus is God. The only new claim you've made is that Paul being the founder of Christianity (once again, you're resorting to blaming Paul), but that's flat out false. The concept of Jesus dying by crucifixion for sins and rising from the dead already existed before Paul got involved. Even the famous New Testament textual critic Bart Ehrman that you cited earlier has gone as far as saying that it's too much to say that Paul is the founder (and even co-founder) of Christianity.