@Ennin: Here's an interesting statement from Bart Ehrman:
"What I think we can say with some confidence is that Jesus actually did die, he probably was buried, and that some of his disciples (all of them? some of them?) claimed to have seen him alive afterward. Among those who made this claim, interestingly enough, was Jesus’ own brother James, who came to believe in Jesus and soon thereafter became one of the principle leaders of the early Christian church." - Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium, page 229-230.
"9. The Bible says that Jesus could not Do Anything by Himself.
John 5:19 “The son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing.”
John 5:30 “I can of mine own self do nothing.”
Jesus did not consider himself equal with God, rather he denied doing anything by himself."
This is some "the ending of Matrix Reloaded" wtf'ery.
This thread is an example is why a Muslim should not use the Christian Bible against the cross worshippers. The Jesus of the Bible is clearly presented as a God, and we should blame Paul because he is the true founder of Christianity and also blame the Council of Nicea because they stopped the Christian Bible from having a chance of the correct Gospels.
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الإسلام والديمقراطية للداعية عبد الرØ_يم جرين - مترجم - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frvjuaea22w
"Ask the Sheikh" by Musa cerantonio ( Happiness In Islam ) ...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fXMmq9mGmw
Originally posted by MuslimForLife
This thread is an example is why a Muslim should not use the Christian Bible against the cross worshippers. The Jesus of the Bible is clearly presented as a God, and we should blame Paul because he is the true founder of Christianity and also blame the Council of Nicea because they stopped the Christian Bible from having a chance of the correct Gospels.
Already refuted this bullshit in the other thread, try better. But at least you are admitting the Bible teaches that Jesus is God.
Originally posted by eninnGood post Ennin don't let the bigots get to you!
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الإسلام والديمقراطية للداعية عبد الرØ_يم جرين - مترجم - YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frvjuaea22w
"Ask the Sheikh" by Musa cerantonio ( Happiness In Islam ) ...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fXMmq9mGmw
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(156) 156 - That they rejected faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;
(157) 157 - That they said (in boast), we killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the apostle of God; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:
(158) 158 - Nay, God raised him up unto himself; and God is exalted in power, wise;
-Christ's peace be upon him
Yet live to God at the age of young people did not die so far
The person who crucified him is one of the disciples of Christ (Jude), who is told about Christ and Wuxi and betrayed by the Romans
And the punishment of Judah
# God gave a semi-Jesus peace be upon him Judas the traitor
And so
God saved Jesus peace be upon him, and God raised up to heaven until the coming to earth again to kill the Antichrist, and then die like any man should die in the end
-Prophet Jesus came to complete the message after the Prophet Moses.
The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him came to complete the message of Jesus was the true
But now is not located Gospel Jesus
Located is now the founder of the Christian Gospel of Paul distorted
31. They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) to worship none but One Ilah (God - Allah) La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) . Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)."
-Jesus peace be upon him
Does not have enough time to tell all
For revelation
Due to the ongoing pursuit
So
Tell the disciples of the Prophet after him next
-God raised his body and spirit
Such as Muhammad peace be upon him on a trip alisraa and almiraag
Christ's peace be upon him
Will come down to earth
Governed by Islamic law
And kill the Antichrist and kill the pigs and break the cross
All this is not for Muslims
Because our religion does not require a full increase
God says in the Holy Qur'an
(3) This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.
But
Christ's peace be upon him
Will come down to earth
For Christians to guide them to the truth
It Abd Allah and His Messenger
Jesus is not God
nor son
Watch on YouTube
Ahmed Deedat
Why Jesus returns to earth- - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grz-lIKoFN4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHx-1...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p86P2DuVHs
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- Gospel of Matthew is not true
The Gospel has been distorted
Matthew - Mark - Luke - John
Recognized by the scientists themselves Christians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHsLecQe1so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl_VVivr1dc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovFQsZvegNc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVmv8353PeM
الشيخ ديدات الأب والأبن والأم والروح القدس
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احمد ديدات التزييف فى الكتاب المقدس - Plaigirism in The Bible YouTube
الشيخ احمد ديدات يثبت تلاميذ وتابعين المسيح لم يفهموه youtube
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أحمد ديدات - متىّ لم يكتب متىّ YouTube
أحمد ديدات يفضح الثالوث عل الملأ - YouTube.flv
Might as well give up on refuting Ennin's posts. He's inches away from being another bot, the only thing that stops him from being a full on bot is the fact that he does acknowledge and respond to some other people on this forum, but he does it very poorly and only in a minority of cases. When he's not doing that, he's posting generic Dawah missionary arguments, but in the most disorganised, convoluted and repetitive way possible. Additionally, he has a habit of going off topic, and this happens quite often, which was really frustrating when I tried quoting his arguments point by point. And at this point he's regurgitating the same falsities (e.g. Jesus never claimed deity or accepted worship), and some of the false claims that he continues parroting are just flat out lies. But debating Muslim apologists and missionaries tends to be a pain in the ass, especially when you're a Christian and/or ex-Muslim, most of these Muslims resort to committing ad hominems and no true Scotsman, and when they're not they're just being intellectually dishonest and unreasonable.
Boom, owned.
you must learn before speak
10. The Bible says that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do.
Matt. 9:8 “But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.”
Acts 2:22 “a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.”
Acts 10:38 “…he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”
If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles. One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26). Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding. The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:
Mark 5:30 “At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’”
Mark 6:5 “He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them.”
Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.
Originally posted by eninn
you must learn before speak10. The Bible says that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do.
Matt. 9:8 “But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.”
Acts 2:22 “a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.”
Acts 10:38 “…he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”
If Christ was God, the Bible would simply say that Jesus did the miracles himself without making reference to God. The fact that it was God supplying the power for the miracles shows that God is greater than Jesus.
Also, Jesus was limited in performing miracles. One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26). Once a woman was healed of her incurable bleeding. The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him:
Mark 5:30 “At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’”
Mark 6:5 “He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them.”
Quite obviously, someone with such limitations can not be God. The power of miracles was not within Jesus.
How many children did Muhammad rape? Ballpark it for me.
11. The Bible says that at times of weakness angels strengthened Jesus; God ,however, does not need to be strengthened.
Luke 22:43 “An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him [in the garden of Gethsemane].”
Mk. 1:13 “Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him.”
Mark 1:13 “And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by Satan; and he was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.”
Men need to be strengthened; God does not because God is All-Powerful. If Jesus had to be strengthened, he must not be God.
12. The Bible says that Jesus wanted God’s will to be done, not his own.
Luke 22:42: “not my will but Yours be done.”
John 5:30 “I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.”
John 6:38 “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me.”
Are some members of the coequal Trinity subservient, and less than equal, to other members? Even though they have different wills (“I do not seek my own will”), do they obey without question the others’ commands (“the will of Him who sent me”)? Jesus admits to subordinating his own distinct will, yet according to the Trinitarian doctrine they should all have the same will. Should one of the triune partners have to forgo his own will in favor of the will of another member of the Trinity? Should not they all have the exact same will?
حاخام يهودي: الإسلام هو ديانة آدم ونوح.YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMVknISzTg0
حاخام يهودي يفجرها نعم أعترف بنبوة النبي الأكرم محمد صلي الله عليه وسلم و الإسلام دين المستقبل
YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGeW230b6CQ
also Christian
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
see here the true meaning
الشيخ ديدات الأب والأبن والأم والروح القدس
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_UZ_pa2n94
الشيخ احمد ديدات يثبت تلاميذ وتابعين المسيح لم يفهموه youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grz-lIKoFN4
--Paul
he Is the founder of Christianity
Have nothing to do with the true gospel
احمد ديدات التزييف فى الكتاب المقدس - Plaigirism in The Bible YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olNROAafhuc&spfreload=10
@ennin: You're repeating the same lies, but I'm not going to address your most recent posts - instead, I'm going to post chapter 22 of the Book of Revelation and ask you to tell me on what you've concluded on reading it:
"Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”
“Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.”
I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”
Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”
“Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen." - Revelation 22:1-21 (NIV Translation).
Hint: You might want to pay attention to the parts I highlighted because they mean something very important.
in Islam, Judaism and Christianity
One in everything
The Old Testament and New Testament
This caused confusion for people
True Gospel
Gospel of our Jesus, peace be upon him
Is not now
Christians themselves
Does not apply the teachings of Christ
The reason is simple
Does not know
What are these teachings properly?
Hence you will find meat and minced words pornography and incest in the Bible
So God says in the Holy Qur'an
(82) You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.
(83) And when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of what they have recognized of the truth. They say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.
The Gospel has been distorted
Matthew - Mark - Luke - John
Recognized by the scientists themselves Christians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHsLecQe1so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl_VVivr1dc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovFQsZvegNc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVmv8353PeM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNxXZ_4byMs
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Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."
John 16:7 But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
Jesus sent the comforter(Paraclete) Who sent Mohamed?
The comforter will glorify Jesus Christ.
. Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, taught that Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, was the immaculate conception and miracle birth of Mary, and that she was the best creation of Almighty God. He insisted even to the Jews of Madinah, that Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, was the Messiah, the Christ, the one predicted to come in their Torah (Old Testament). He also taught that Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, did many miracles by the permission of Almighty God, curing the lepers, restoring sight to the blind and even bringing a dead man back to life, and he was not dead, rather Almighty God had raised him up.
He also predicted Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, is going to return again in the Last Days to lead the true believers in a victory over the evil and unrighteous people, and he will destroy the Anti-Christ.
John 16 : (12-14)
"I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now. How be it when He, the spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of himself: but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak and He will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for He shall receive of mine, and He shall show it unto you."
All people saw and heard the Prophet Mohammed in the past
Who is the witness which saw or heard the Holy Spirit, except for the prophets?
Anyone who says (I can see and hear the Holy Spirit) needs a Psychiatrist
I'll just quote a different translation, maybe you didn't like the NIV:
"Then the angel showed me a river with the water of life, clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb. It flowed down the center of the main street. On each side of the river grew a tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, with a fresh crop each month. The leaves were used for medicine to heal the nations.No longer will there be a curse upon anything. For the throne of God and of the Lamb will be there, and his servants will worship him. And they will see his face, and his name will be written on their foreheads. And there will be no night there—no need for lamps or sun—for the Lord God will shine on them. And they will reign forever and ever.
Then the angel said to me, “Everything you have heard and seen is trustworthy and true. The Lord God, who inspires his prophets, has sent his angel to tell his servants what will happen soon.”
“Look, I am coming soon! Blessed are those who obey the words of prophecy written in this book.”
I, John, am the one who heard and saw all these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me. But he said, “No, don’t worship me. I am a servant of God, just like you and your brothers the prophets, as well as all who obey what is written in this book. Worship only God!”
Then he instructed me, “Do not seal up the prophetic words in this book, for the time is near. Let the one who is doing harm continue to do harm; let the one who is vile continue to be vile; let the one who is righteous continue to live righteously; let the one who is holy continue to be holy.”
“Look, I am coming soon, bringing my reward with me to repay all people according to their deeds. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
Blessed are those who wash their robes. They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life. Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the bright morning star.”
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” Let anyone who hears this say, “Come.” Let anyone who is thirsty come. Let anyone who desires drink freely from the water of life. And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.
He who is the faithful witness to all these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon!”
Amen! Come, Lord Jesus!
May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s holy people." - Revelation 22:1-21 (NLT Translation).