(No spoilers please) Did you like TLJ

Originally posted by Petrus
Spoilers coming so if you haven’t seen then don’t read k.

I have mixed feelings about this movie. There are great things but there are also some very shitty things.

Snoke is officially the worst, most irrelevant ‘big villain’ in all of SW canon. Dude dies without us even knowing who the **** he is. Seriously what the shit. The buildup to Snoke and his power and everything was cast aside like absolutely nothing. It was extremely disappointing. Zero character development, zero explanations about his background. We got nothing.

Are you ****ing kidding me that now they’re calling themselves Rebels? It’s truly baffling how incredibly unoriginal and bland the writers of episodes VII and VIII have been. It’s literally the Empire vs. Rebels all over again, and they don’t even try to make it subtle. It’s ridiculous.

The dialogue was shit at times, as well. But I guess that’s a rule of almost every SW movie so whatever.

Kylo Ren continues to be an immature, impulsive and stupid creature. I thought we would see his growth clearly in VIII, but nope. He’s still pretty much the same tantrum-throwing child he was in VII.

Rey, on the other hand, was better. Her development is noticeable, and you can tell how she’s changing and maturing even throughout the movie. Poe was also good and even more involved in the plot, which I really enjoyed. Finn was pretty much the same except that this time he was almost irrelevant to the final outcome of the movie, which is sad. Luke is a ****ing dumbass and probably the biggest disappointment of the movie. What the **** is that about almost killing a young, troubled Kylo because he might become evil? His personality was absolutely different when compared to his OT self, so it does not make sense at all. Went from seeing the goodness and trying to redeem the second most evil and murderous guy in the universe (Vader) to wanting to kill Kylo because he was afraid of what he could maybe become one day. That is terrible.

The battles were entertaining.

Tomorrow I’ll comment more.

I hope the next movie gives more planets, didn’t really get much scenery from this one.

JJ's writing it, so while the plot will probably be more straightforward, I doubt there will be many more planets.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
JJ's writing it, so while the plot will probably be more straightforward, I doubt there will be many more planets.

Well that’s a little disappointing..

Originally posted by Lord Stark

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I also was really sad that even Admiral Ackbar couldn't keep his happy ending in Legends. If they were gonna kill him off like that, why even introduce Vice Admiral Purple Hair? Ackbar could have done the suicide run himself.

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TBF Ackbar's actor totally died before this movie was filmed iirc, so...

Originally posted by Emperordmb

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TBF Ackbar's actor totally died before this movie was filmed iirc, so...

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True, but it would have been a nice send off even with (Tom Kane?) voicing him

I have mixed feelings about this. It works as a stand alone film, yeah, but as a Star Wars fan, to say that I was disappointed would be a pretty big understatement. Considering only the movies.

Originally posted by Emperordmb

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TBF Ackbar's actor totally died before this movie was filmed iirc, so...

On a similar note I've seen people moaning that Lando didn't come back. The actor's 80 years old and barely mobile. Real life can't always bend to the fans wishes.

In all seriousness though, I enjoyed the movie, the suspense kept me on the edge of my seat, the humor was well done, there was some quality acting in the movie (shout out to Mark Hamill, Andy Serkis, Adam Driver, and Carrie Fisher RIP in particular), it was well shot, and I liked how Luke got a redeeming heroic moment at the end. Also Luke's reunion with R2 was gold, I actually like Kylo's character arc, and Rey was less of a Mary Sue in this one. I'm curious to see where they take Supreme Leader Kylo. I also thought there was an effective combination of old story elements from ESB and ROTJ and new ones that it gave me a good vibe.

That being said it certainly has some pretty major flaws and I'm not gonna thoughtlessly suck the koolaid out of its dick. I didn't like Luke pussying out for thirty years and dying at the end of this movie, I really hoped to see better and more from Luke then that... though this was kinda mitigated by TFA already setting me up for that disappointment. The Finn/Rose plotline was pointless to the plot and didn't have much character payoff to compensate, so I didn't really find it a fruitful part of the movie. The backstory of the first order still isn't that compellingly established and Hux is kinda a *****... which is funny... but it makes it impossible to take him seriously as a villain. Also the end scene with the kid fell flat for me and came across as too naked and blatant of an emotional appeal.

I'm not sure how I feel about the Luke activating his blade on Kylo shit, I'll have to let that sit with me a bit longer.

People just don't seem to understand how critical Rose and her subplot was to this film and to the franchise as a whole. She has a position of absolute importance and serves a role that only she can out of all the other characters in the movie. Everyone should feel ashamed for not getting what she brings to the table.

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The film has to sell well in China.

👆 😂

Also, why has ares stolen my avatar. ❌

I was confused as hell after seeing it, it had great moments and very conflicting ones. Now, I'm more positive to be honest. I guess it's normal that a lot of people need time to form their opinion considering it's hugely different nature.

PS Did anyone else notice Kylo's Jedi lightsaber? I'm really interested to learn more about his training under Luke.

Originally posted by Nephthys
People just don't seem to understand how critical Rose and her subplot was to this film and to the franchise as a whole. She has a position of absolute importance and serves a role that only she can out of all the other characters in the movie. Everyone should feel ashamed for not getting what she brings to the table.

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The film has to sell well in China.

Don't be a toad, her being female has nothing to do with it. Shes a good character, its just that its pretty obvious why she was written into the franchise.

Just watched it a third time. Every watch has definitely improved it.

9/10 movie for me. Not better than ROTS or the OT, but beats R1, TPM, AOTC, and TFA.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't be a toad, her being female has nothing to do with it. Shes a good character, its just that its pretty obvious why she was written into the franchise.

A toad? Wtf does that mean?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I didn't like Luke pussying out for thirty years and dying at the end of this movie

"Pussying" out for thirty years? How? It couldn't have been that long, seeing as Kylo is around thirty years old and wasn't, like, one years old when Luke was standing over his bed as a Jedi Master.

Originally posted by The Lost
"Pussying" out for thirty years? How? It couldn't have been that long, seeing as Kylo is around thirty years old and wasn't, like, one years old when Luke was standing over his bed as a Jedi Master.

Huh, maybe there is hope for the expanded Disneyverse exploring Luke's powaaaah

The second or third best Star Wars film. I'll have to rewatch it to decide were it lies. I can see the reason why the Ot fanatics wouldn't like this but I've never been nostalgic for the Ot trilogy. What's ironic is the same Star Wars fans going crazy on Snoke when Palpatine never had the backstory the prequels gave him in the Ot. The icing on the cake is no one is flocking to my Snoke. His voice (best in Star Wars yes I'm saying his voice is better than Vader's as well), best screen presence, fantastic delivery of lines, great look, and awesome looking robe, and the manner in

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which he mocked Kylo and Rey was perfect.

He also wasn't trying to recruit Rey and didn't care about her as Palpatine came in his pants over Luke. He just wanted her to die after he took the information he wanted with regards to Luke.

What the hell is up with people not being able to read the title to a thread?

Anyway,

Overall I enjoyed TLJ (this is coming from someone who hated TFA).

My overall complaints would be that it seemed to stretch on unnecessarily; a lot of filler could have been removed. The plot contained remnants of tESB, and the original parts weren't amazing or anything.

There were some small details that I questioned.

Some comedic lines were well placed; others were cringey.

Acting was better than TFA overall, but no Oscars here.

Character development left some to be desired. Mediocre at best IMO.

The Good:

Because I inadvertently viewed the 3D version, I can't really comment on the visuals though I'm sure they were good as R1 and TFA.

There were plenty of great scenes that made up for any blandness.

It wasn't as predictable as I thought. Plenty of great plot-twists.

New Line Up (Best-Worst)

1. ANH 7-8/10
2. ESB/RotJ 8-9/10
3. ESB/RotJ 8-9/10
4. RotS 9/10
5. TLJ 7-8/10
6. R1 7-8/10
7. AotC 5-6/10
8. TFA 5/10
9. TPM 4/10