Originally posted by Psychotron
The only way this hack shit can be somewhat redeemed is if Snoke shows up immediately, Kylo goes "wtf" and Snoke asks "Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?".There's no saving Luke, however. He
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died because he was tired. Meanwhile, his untrained sister flies through space like Superman. It's just utter insanity.
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I don't think Luke died because he was tired or whatever. Iirc he got back up and sat crossed legged on that stone perch and starred off at the twin suns reminiscent of the famous scene of him on tatooine as a boy, and then he chose to became one with the force.Imho it symbolized his story coming to a full circle. Going from the naive farm boy starring off at the suns, to a student of the force, to the hero of the rebellion, to the failed teacher with ren, to the redemed master with rey, then as his final act giving the heroes time to escape to be the spark that lights the rebellion, then coming full circle to his final scene with the twin suns and becoming one with the force.
It also mirrored obi wans story nicely. With obi going from a hero of the clone wars, to failing Anakin as his teacher, to redeeming himself as Luke's, to holding off Vader so the heroes could escape then sacrificing himself to help Luke and save the rebellion.
Originally posted by ares834
At times I wonder if people watch these films before commenting.
Yeah I just watched it. Luke is pathetic, he attempts to murder 16 year old Ben Solo in his sleep, changes his mind. When Ben Solo wakes up and catches him he destroys the room they are in and knocks Luke unconscious and then Ben with some students kill all the Jedi. Its an utterly pathetic showing for Luke. He's trash.
Originally posted by ares834
😂It's called context. Luke is conflicted as hell and is trying to explain himself when Kylo collapses the building. Nothing more. It creates absolutely no comparison between the two as combatants.
That means nothing. He's a seasoned Jedi Master going in to murder someone. Are you saying he was unprepared for the attack? Also, he raises his hand to block Kylo's attack with the force and utterly fails.
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I don't think Luke died because he was tired or whatever. Iirc he got back up and sat crossed legged on that stone perch and starred off at the twin suns reminiscent of the famous scene of him on tatooine as a boy, and then he chose to became one with the force.Imho it symbolized his story coming to a full circle. Going from the naive farm boy starring off at the suns, to a student of the force, to the hero of the rebellion, to the failed teacher with ren, to the redemed master with rey, then as his final act giving the heroes time to escape to be the spark that lights the rebellion, then coming full circle to his final scene with the twin suns and becoming one with the force.
It also mirrored obi wans story nicely. With obi going from a hero of the clone wars, to failing Anakin as his teacher, to redeeming himself as Luke's, to holding off Vader so the heroes could escape then sacrificing himself to help Luke and save the rebellion.
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I know what it symbolized. It just didn't make any sense. Obi-Wan only died because he had no choice, Vader would have killed him either way. He let himself be killed to make Luke escape. Luke died for no reason at all.Well actually, the reason is simple. They had to kill him off so MaRey Sue can be the real hero.
Originally posted by ares834
It seem Luke's trying to reason with Ben. Not use the force to block. Plus Kylo didn't attack Luke anyway, he brought down the hut.Yes, it was a bit embarrassing like the initial bout of the Yoda/Sidious fight. But, like I said, it creates no comparison between the two as combatants.
I'm not comparing them as combatants, you are putting words into my mouth. I'm saying no one on that list would get humiliated in that fashion by an untrained boy like Ben Solo. That showing (when paired with his lack of other showings) puts him firmly below pretty much everyone else. Can you imagine Darth Maul getting owned by 16 year old Anakin? Also he was just looking into his mind and seeing what Ben was capable of, and had his saber drawn battle ready, there's really no excuse for a Jedi Master not to be able to hold up a ****ing hut in those conditions. Let alone be knocked out for hours. I mean come the **** on man. Luke is pathetic in this film.
If you aren't comparing them as combatants then what's the point of bringing it up? The only thing it shows is Luke looking a bit idiotic as he was caught off guard. He can obviously use the force to hold up a hut (when untrained he can shake a Star Destroyer FFS), but Kylo's attack surprised him. Ultimately, it gives us nothing about how capable of a combatant Luke is.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
I'm not comparing them as combatants, you are putting words into my mouth. I'm saying no one on that list would get humiliated in that fashion by an untrained boy like Ben Solo. That showing (when paired with his lack of other showings) puts him firmly below pretty much everyone else. Can you imagine Darth Maul getting owned by 16 year old Anakin? Also he was just looking into his mind and seeing what Ben was capable of, and had his saber drawn battle ready, there's really no excuse for a Jedi Master not to be able to hold up a ****ing hut in those conditions. Let alone be knocked out for hours. I mean come the **** on man. Luke is pathetic in this film.
Luke was taken by surprise and IIRC Ben pulled the structure on him.
Originally posted by ares834
If you aren't comparing them as combatants then what's the point of bringing it up? The only thing it shows is Luke looking a bit idiotic as he was caught off guard. He can obviously use the force to hold up a hut (when untrained he can shake a Star Destroyer FFS), but Kylo's attack surprised him. Ultimately, it gives us nothing about how capable of a combatant Luke is.
Caught by surprise? Bruh he just peered into his mind and saw his violent will and had his ****ing lightsaber in hand. Wtf did he think was gonna happen? Ben was just gonna be like 'Oh I'm sure you have a great explanation for trying to murder me'. Especially after he drew his lightsaber.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Ben was 25. 😬Luke was taken by surprise and IIRC Ben pulled the structure on him.
The point isn't the age, the point is he was barely trained. A presumably stronger Kylo Ren got bested by an untrained girl.