Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That response doesn't even make sense. It's not an edgy statement, it's just an acknowledgement of fact. If anything, taking the word of psycho sounds way worse than taking the word of a Nazi. At least a Nazi has a bigger grasp on reality.
Luke tells Rey "his truth."
Kylo tells Rey "his truth."
Then after being held at lightsaber-point by Luke, Luke tells Rey "the truth."
I honestly don't even think you watched the movie.
Although it sucks, I don't mind that we don't see Luke legit fight in a lightsaber duel. Remember, Lucas said about the OT that Yoda and Sidious don't have lightsabers because they're "beyond" that. I think this trilogy sorta mirrors the OT in this regard: Luke and Snoke are "beyond" the need to use lightsabers, since they're that powerful with the force.
I'm fine with Luke not being a badass warrior, personally. One of the running themes of his character in the movie is that people wanted his help but he didn't want to help in the way that they wanted. Explicitly, Rey wanted him to take her lightsaber, hop on the Falcon and **** shit up like the good old days, but Luke isn't that person anymore.
The hologram shit was a decent way to show him ending his exile and helping the galaxy again without fighting. Confronting Kylo as an illusion was also a good metaphor for showing Kylo that his problems were spiritual and could never be defeated with violence.
There were a slew of issues with Luke's representation in the series, but combat Feats are not something I would be worried about.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
I'm fine with Luke not being a badass warrior, personally. One of the running themes of his character in the movie is that people wanted his help but he didn't want to help in the way that they wanted. Explicitly, Rey wanted him to take her lightsaber, hop on the Falcon and **** shit up like the good old days, but Luke isn't that person anymore.The hologram shit was a decent way to show him ending his exile and helping the galaxy again without fighting. Confronting Kylo as an illusion was also a good metaphor for showing Kylo that his problems were spiritual and could never be defeated with violence.
There were a slew of issues with Luke's representation in the series, but combat Feats are not something I would be worried about.
Problem though is now...who the frack is gonna train Rey? I mean she didn't really get any training at all in both movies, now she has no master to help her in learning stuff. Luke at least in the OT had brief moments with Ben and Yoda to help get a grasp of what he has.
Unless Kylo is gonna end up teaching her in some way while still being the enemy.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Problem though is now...who the frack is gonna train Rey? I mean she didn't really get any training at all in both movies, now she has no master to help her in learning stuff. Luke at least in the OT had brief moments with Ben and Yoda to help get a grasp of what he has.
Originally posted by samappoI'm not really sure that Luke was 'beyond' lightsabers, though -- he was going to murder Ben with one, after all. I just think that Luke renounced lightsabers/combat when he renounced the Jedi Order... They were simply part of something he had come to abhor.
Although it sucks, I don't mind that we don't see Luke legit fight in a lightsaber duel. Remember, Lucas said about the OT that Yoda and Sidious don't have lightsabers because they're "beyond" that. I think this trilogy sorta mirrors the OT in this regard: Luke and Snoke are "beyond" the need to use lightsabers, since they're that powerful with the force.
That's why his immediate inclination was to throw his father's saber away when Rey handed it to him. /shrug
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_spirit
Force spirits never really trained anyone, Ben and Yoda certainly didn't with Luke, Ben just kinda appeared and chatted with Luke at best.
Though I guess it's possible, we'll see.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Problem though is now...who the frack is gonna train Rey?
Nobody, she doesn't need a trainer. ****ing around on a desert her whole life has already given her the training to defeat multiple assailants alone and that was before the plot pushed a button amd gave her access to the force. With it she can duel Kylo Ren the third strongest force user in the galaxy and 1v2 warriors who have been training intensively in close-combat every day of their lives.
Why would she possibly need a teacher? Whats left to teach her?
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Nobody, she doesn't need a trainer. ****ing around on a desert her whole life has already given her the training to defeat multiple assailants alone and that was before the plot pushed a button amd gave her access to the force. With it she can duel Kylo Ren the third strongest force user in the galaxy and 1v2 warriors who have been training intensively in close-combat every day of their lives.Why would she possibly need a teacher? Whats left to teach her?
Hmm a fine(if not a silly) point, I guess we'll see.
Originally posted by Kurk
I will say I disagree with him wanting to Ren. Doesn't fit at all with what we've known him to be in the past.I did, however, enjoy his overall portrayal as being a stubborn old man waiting to die alone on an island. His reasons for why the jedi should die were justified.
I dislike Yoda's high and mighty act after the fact. Especially after Luke plainly explained Yoda's failure.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, it's just you being a retard because you forgot about an entire sequence.Luke tells Rey "his truth."
Kylo tells Rey "his truth."
Then after being held at lightsaber-point by Luke, Luke tells Rey "the truth."
I honestly don't even think you watched the movie.
The third account still comes from Luke, and Rey pointing a lightsaber at him doesn't suddenly make him tell the truth. I don't believe Luke. Further accounts from him doesn't make me suddenly believe him.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Well, Luke certainly has an opinion on Luke Skywalker. haermm
What a great and funny guy.