Originally posted by abhilegend
Like who? Logan has actually matched Shingen in sword fight and then defeated him.He doesn't. Not even close. Just look at the train fight in The Wolverine. Thor isn't anywhere that skilled.
Remind me again which skilled opponents Shingen actually fought?
You mean the train fight where Wolverine had such trouble taking out one thug with a knife?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Remind me again which skilled opponents Shingen actually fought?
He was quoted as a master of martial arts with years of experiences. Like most of your "skilled" opponents for Thor.
He defeated Yukio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_RU0BJBy4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgIWS8_1sU
You mean the train fight where Wolverine had such trouble taking out one thug with a knife?
No, here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l5unujuHyYo
Thor has never shown such skills.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was quoted as a master of martial arts with years of experiences. Like most of your "skilled" opponents for Thor.He defeated Yukio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_RU0BJBy4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgIWS8_1sUNo, here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l5unujuHyYo
Thor has never shown such skills.
In short, Shingen doesn't have much feats to back his skill up. All you have is because someone said he's a master martial artist... sure. Who even said that?
As for the train feat, forward to the 1 minute mark onwards. See how much trouble Wolverine has against 1 thug armed with a knife. Besides, Wolverine somewhat struggled with those 4 thugs. You really think that's a good showcase of his skill? Thor has taken on dozens of frost giants with less difficulty than that.
Originally posted by KingD19
You can only use depowered Thor feats. He can't do 90% of what he pulls off without his powers.
His fighting skill doesn't disappear just because he's depowered. He fought against opponents of similar physical stats with him if not stronger, and he displayed his fighting skill in all of them.
Originally posted by FrothByte
His fighting skill doesn't disappear just because he's depowered. He fought against opponents of similar physical stats with him if not stronger, and he displayed his fighting skill in all of them.
But when he fought them, he was doing stuff like jumping 10 feet and flipping onto Hulk's back, jumping above his head to do a hurricanrana, etc... Things that Thor simply cannot do without his godly form.
Also you can't try and downplay Logan, especially in Apocalypse and Wolverine where he was cutting down scores of people without getting touched.
And who has Thor fought with skills if we're on the topic?
Loki(unfair advantage)
Valkyrie(lost)
Hela(lost)
Destroyer(no)
Kurse(no)
Malekith(not really)
Sakaar Hulk(used his lightning powers)
Most of that list didn't show any fighting skill whatsoever. And he lost to the two who did and had similar physical stats. And had to use his lightning mode to beat Hulk before Grandmaster tazed him.
Originally posted by KingD19
But when he fought them, he was doing stuff like jumping 10 feet and flipping onto Hulk's back, jumping above his head to do a hurricanrana, etc... Things that Thor simply cannot do without his godly form.Also you can't try and downplay Logan, especially in Apocalypse and Wolverine where he was cutting down scores of people without getting touched.
And who has Thor fought with skills if we're on the topic?
Loki(unfair advantage)
Valkyrie(lost)
Hela(lost)
Destroyer(no)
Kurse(no)
Malekith(not really)
Sakaar Hulk(used his lightning powers)Most of that list didn't show any fighting skill whatsoever. And he lost to the two who did and had similar physical stats. And had to use his lightning mode to beat Hulk before Grandmaster tazed him.
You mean the scores of fodder that Wolverine were cutting down? That's who you want to base your argument of Wolverine being more skilled?
Thor doesn't have an "unfair" advantage over Loki. Thor is stronger but not by so much that Loki can't mandhandle him if he isn't careful. Just watch their fights and see how Loki can still throw him around and smash his head in if he isn't careful. And Loki has better combat feats than majority of foes Wolverine has fought.
Thor would have killed Hela in their throne room fight. Just so happens that Hela healed from the spear wound Thor gave her. Still, he landed the first kill blow, which shows his superior skill.
Remind me again how Wolverine faired against such skilled opponents as Mystique and Lady Deahtstrike? Those two were running circles around him. Had you taken out the claws and adamantium Wolverine would have lost those fights.
Thor was fast and skilled enough to block Chitauri fire with his hammer. Evaded majority of Hulk's blows. Was fast enough to catch IM's punch in his hand. I don't recall Wolverine doing anything that can compare to those.
And when did Thor ever lose to Valkyrie? I don't recall Thor ever fighting her.
WOuldn't say Cap's equal. Although X-24 was insanely strong.
Logan though has blocked hits from the SS robot, which was massive. He chopped off a Sentinel head, and even with unbreakable claws, he had to be strong enough to chop through the whole thing. In Wolverine he was flinging guys 10-15 feet with claw swipes. Etc, etc, ...
Low end super strength, although still a bit below Mystique—she’s pretty impressive, as was lady deathstrike. If we use his middle to higher feats to go against Thor fighting the shield agents, he could match Thor without claws or healing factor either one. He still has above human strength and durability and great pain tolerance and anger increase.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Would you agree with low-end superstrength?
Oh, absolutely. It's no doubt he's superhumanly strong; just hard to get an exact gauge as Logan doesn't really do lifting feats aside from X-24 throwing that APC off him if you count that(as 24 was an imperfect clone and therefore Prime Logan should be able to do the same thing)
But yeah, I don't see Mystique for example holding out against the Samurai robot. Or tossing people as casually as Logan. She is strong, and hits damn hard. But he does stuff like stab a guy in the leg while he's on his knees and casually flip him 10 feet away.
Originally posted by FrothByte
In short, Shingen doesn't have much feats to back his skill up. All you have is because someone said he's a master martial artist... sure. Who even said that?
Just like Thor then? Because which martial artist has he beaten?
As for the train feat, forward to the 1 minute mark onwards. See how much trouble Wolverine has against 1 thug armed with a knife.
He was drastically weakened and still took out several thugs casually. The roof top fight on the train is beyond anything Thor did.
Besides, Wolverine somewhat struggled with those 4 thugs. You really think that's a good showcase of his skill? Thor has taken on dozens of frost giants with less difficulty than that.
He was weakened by Viper and shot several times.
Frost giants are literally scrubs. Loki was killing them casually and Thor only did that with mjolnir.
No skills except throwing a hammer.
Originally posted by KingD19
The same Adamantium skeleton that BLOB knocked himself silly on when he headbutted Logan? The same BLOB who punched a tank shell?Thor's gonna hurt himself hitting Logan, and he has nowhere near enough power behind his hits to KO him, especially with Logan's powers active and in his prime.
Oh, and believe it or not, Logan actually has pretty good combat instincts. Watch Wolverine and Apocalypse when he ducks and bobs and weaves and slides and dodges through people. Far more than human Thor did.
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