Kylo Ren vs. Luke Skywalker (RotJ)

Started by Josh_Alexander4 pages
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it doesn't that just shows popularity is not how to debate it's based off evidence. If 9 out of 10 people said the world was flat would the one guy who dissented be wrong ? You won't u der stand any of this but most if not all will recognize my superior debating acumen.

Naah it means everyone watched the movies and casted a vote.

It also means my eyes werent wrong! Yours on the other hand... Bahahahahahahahahaha!

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Naah it means everyone watched the movies and casted a vote.

It also means my eyes werent wrong! Yours on the other hand... Bahahahahahahahahaha!

It means popularity doesn't prove they are right just as it wouldn't prove the world is flat. I knew you wouldn't understand. Kylo wins. He already beat an older more experienced and powerful Luke after a nap.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It means popularity doesn't prove they are right just as it wouldn't prove the world is flat. I knew you wouldn't understand. Kylo wins. He already beat an older more experienced and powerful Luke after a nap.

Yet you have no evidence as to make our arguments similar to Earth being flat.

Which either proves you are crazy or just ignorant.

😂 Ignorant it appears to be..

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yet you have no evidence as to make our arguments similar to Earth being flat.

Which either proves you are crazy or just ignorant.

😂 Ignorant it appears to be..

We already know it's a fact but you once again prove you don't grasp the point. You just repeat yourself and talk in moronic circles.

It is a fact Ben defeated Luke and left him for dead.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We already know it's a fact but you once again prove you don't grasp the point. You just repeat yourself and talk in moronic circles.

It is a fact Ben defeated Luke and left him for dead.

Its a fact your knowledge over SW is limited. Is a fact that you focus on denigrating other's comment rather than backing your points.

Is a fact that you dont understand movies quite well.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Its a fact your knowledge over SW is limited. Is a fact that you focus on denigrating other's comment rather than backing your points.

Is a fact that you dont understand movies quite well.

No, that's your opinion but you aren't smart enough to understand basic logic.

You can't even string together a complete sentence.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that's your opinion but you aren't smart enough to understand basic logic.

You can't even string together a complete sentence.

😂

Not according to some threads which am to lazy to point out at you.....

Okay. This has gone past this threadz's purpose so....You are entitled to your opinion.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Not according to some threads which am to lazy to point out at you.....

Okay. This has gone past this threadz's purpose so....You are entitled to your opinion.

I always debate based off the evidence.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I always debate based off the evidence.

Yeah, am sure thats a fact.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yeah, am sure thats a fact.
Prove me wrong.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove me wrong.

Ohhh there is no need XD

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ohhh there is no need XD
K.

Originally posted by relentless1
feeling power inside = potential power

just because Luke sensed something in Kylo doesn't mean that Ben could summon that power at will; Luke is still far superior to Ren as evidenced when he toyed with him in their brief lightsaber encounter.

Again that was Luke 30+ years AFTER the Luke specified in this thread. Also that fight means nothing because it was basically a hologram. Not evidence that Luke is actually capable of doing that in person.

Originally posted by Darth Thor What? No. He was talking about “potential” dark side power. Or did you miss the part where he says she didn’t even TRY to stop herself.

That tells us that his darkside power was superior to Vader and even Sidious since Luke felt them both up close. Luke was no match for Sids in RotJ and took all he had to topple Vader. Luke loses here

Originally posted by juggerman

That tells us that his darkside power was superior to Vader and even Sidious since Luke felt them both up close. Luke was no match for Sids in RotJ and took all he had to topple Vader. Luke loses here

Some serious mental gymnastics coming to that conclusion.

Why not take what we were outright told (2films in a row). Which is that Kylo is no Vader (yet). I mean they can’t make it more clear than that.

Can't quote you Dart Thor.

He is not Vader yet as in his actions and standing in the universe. Vader was overwhelmingly feared throughout the universe and he got shit done. Kylo isn't as competent but that has no bearing on power and Kylo is much more conflicted than Vader was (except at the end)

Who mentioned he was no Vader anyway? Snoke. We have no reason to believe Snoke has a accurate idea of Vader's power. Luke OTOH clearly has a very good idea of Vader's power and still considers Rey and Kylo as superior in power. That's very telling

Snoke was saying that to manipulate Kylo into motivating him. He wanted him focused not spiritually weakened. Vader was focused prior to Luke weakening his resolve. D. Thor's insistence on power alone and being biased to prop up Vader is silly. Grasp why Snoke is doing what he's doing. Snoke's faith in him was restored when he succeeded in bringing Rey to him.