Originally posted by h1a8
Hercules is better at wrestling but by Gladiator being stronger then it makes Hercules wrestling skill irrelevant.
Gladiator wins
you are very wrong. the whole point of not only wrestling but overall ground fighting, is that you can defeat an opponent stronger than you. for example, you dont need to be stronger than your opponent, in order to lift him from behind and slam him head first into the ground. its not about strength but technique. just watch BJJ fights in the octagon, specially first UFC days with the gracies. now of course, big gaps in strength matter and make difference. however, in my personal opinion if there is a strength gap between hercules and gladiator its not a big one at all and specially not one that really matters. hercules with his wrestling skills was able to choke thor. if his skills + strength were enough to make it hard on thor, i dont see gladiator being different. hercules either can choke him out or just break his limbs via different wrestling techniques mixed with his street fighting moves and knowledge
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why Brock Lesnar is so unsuccessful in UFC. Or Hulk in comics.Oh wait.
Strength trumps skill 9/10 times in comics or real life.
difference is, brock lesner is a wrestler(not refering to wwe, real wrestling) and actually training the same way as all the other fighters. and still, he got owned and left MMA. also, when brock "dominated" on the ground, it was because of his size and weight, not his strength. something gladiator doesnt have over hercules. so i dont really see your point to be honest. of course weight matters as well in wrestling but only in real life. if someone is heavier than me, lets say by 20 kg, it will be hard for me because of the body weight + his own wrestling resistance. however, in comic book strength, the weight of each opponent should be meaningless and it should all come down to skills and strength. i dont recall gladiator having any wrestling skills, and i dont think he is that stronger than hercules, if at all, to the point it should effect anything.
strength trumps skills? you never been in a fight thats for sure. thats why gym rats are comming to our gym sometimes and getting owned. stand up, wrestling, you name it. because obviously, lifting something heavy is really going to help you in a fight (sarcasm). but do you honestly believe that gladiator is so much stronger than hercules?
funniest thing is that when i saw this thread, i was thinking to myself - damn, its going to be basically a thor vs superman thread. superman fans will be saying gladiator and thor fans will be saying hercules. glad(sarcasm) to see i wasnt mistaken
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Hercules has beaten no one worth mentioning by skills. He got upper hand on Thor one time and that's it.
and it says everything there is to say. his strength + skills is enough to choke thor physically. thats all we need to know. ever heard of it's not the quantity it's the quality?