Originally posted by cdtm
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First of all, the thing that makes the universal fist clashing feat so impressive is that universal + annihilation was going to be wrought despite the fact that Goku was actively trying to cancel out the energy they were putting out. So essentially, most, or at least a lot of their energy was being cancelled out, and universal + damage was still going to be caused.
And the idea the universe-busting waves weren't going to indeed bust the universe because the following waves after the 2nd one didn't bust the universe, is a bit ridiculous, given that there was a good amount of time between the first two universe busting waves and the following ones, presumably giving reality time to recuperate.
Regardless, the universe busting waves aren't the impressive part of the fight, lol. At least, not compared to what Goku and Beerus are doing next: literally pushing back and forth the Super-dense energy ball capable of annihilating all of Universe 7. The kaioshin and Whis both note that the energyball was capable of destroying the universe, and Goku and Beerus were pushing that energy around, and Beerus even completely nullifies it, pretty easily and while suppressed. Noting of course that BoG Goku would get oneshotted by current SSJB Goku.
Furthermore, there's various statements showing that the mere collateral damage from Beerus and Champa fighting would destroy two macrocosms (Universe 6 and Universe 7).
As for Jiren, he shook the infinite world of void via the mere presence and flow of his power, and in a suppressed state, its implied by Shin and Whis that his power exceeds that of any prior villain...which would include Infinite Zamasu, who merged with his entire timeline (all 12 universes) and proceeded to spread into other timelines.
Of course, Jiren was also able to casually glare away SSJB KKx20 Goku, who would easily oneshot the Goku and Beerus we saw in the BoG arc.
Odin still doesn't have a chance in hell at even harming a suppressed Jiren.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
😂First of all, the thing that makes the universal fist clashing feat so impressive is that universal + annihilation was going to be wrought despite the fact that Goku was actively trying to cancel out the energy they were putting out. So essentially, most, or at least a lot of their energy was being cancelled out, and universal + damage was still going to be caused.
And the idea the universe-busting waves weren't going to indeed bust the universe because the following waves after the 2nd one didn't bust the universe, is a bit ridiculous, given that there was a good amount of time between the first two universe busting waves and the following ones, presumably giving reality time to recuperate.
Regardless, the universe busting waves aren't the impressive part of the fight, lol. At least, not compared to what Goku and Beerus are doing next: literally pushing back and forth the Super-dense energy ball capable of annihilating all of Universe 7. The kaioshin and Whis both note that the energyball was capable of destroying the universe, and Goku and Beerus were pushing that energy around, and Beerus even completely nullifies it, pretty easily and while suppressed. Noting of course that BoG Goku would get oneshotted by current SSJB Goku.
Furthermore, there's various statements showing that the mere collateral damage from Beerus and Champa fighting would destroy two macrocosms (Universe 6 and Universe 7).
As for Jiren, he shook the infinite world of void via the mere presence and flow of his power, and in a suppressed state, its implied by Shin and Whis that his power exceeds that of any prior villain...which would include Infinite Zamasu, who merged with his entire timeline (all 12 universes) and proceeded to spread into other timelines.
Of course, Jiren was also able to casually glare away SSJB KKx20 Goku, who would easily oneshot the Goku and Beerus we saw in the BoG arc.
Odin still doesn't have a chance in hell at even harming a suppressed Jiren.
Jiren isn't Beerus or Champa, though.
The tier you're putting Jiren on hinges on the assumption that:
1. Whis or Beerus wouldn't lie. (We know they would, because they admitted Beerus has, about using 100% of his power.)
2. That Jiren = a God of Destruction (So assuming Beerus really could insta-vape the universe, it follows Jiren could as well, if he could hold his own with a GoD.)
But we were told (In the manga) that Jiren is equal to a GoD in skill alone. That doesn't necessarily mean he can match a GoD in all ways, like a Hakai erasure or a "universe buster".
Even if we take Jiren as a universe buster at face value (And believe you me, lesser characters then Odin have the feats to prove they're universal level. They're just dismissed as PIS.. Vsbattle forums dismissed TWENTY TWO such feats from post crisis Superman.), Odin still has a lot more going for him then raw power.
Esoteric powers, from mind screws to soul screws to molecular attacks (Think a difference between dynamite and a tiny lightsaber scapel)..
Odin has ALL OF ASGARD on his side, with a wealth of powers that aren't exactly common in Dragon Ball.
Could ki based defenses even protect Jiren from magic?
Just a piece of Jiren power shook an infinite Void (and again, he was holding back). There isn't a single thing Odin could do to prevent Jiren from punching his head clean off as soon as the bell ring. Jiren is a different beast all together. Beings that could have destroyed Universes and dimensions with their punching power, Jiren was blocking his blow with just a finger tip. Odin dies, with ease and time stop wouldn't even save him. The comic book section is the worst place to post fights like this because 90% of the people here are clueless/bias and the other 10% don't know a single thing about the show.
Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, you'll need to prove Dragon Ball ki can even interact with magic, let alone defend against it.The weak arsed mage Badibi transported characters against their will to wherever.
So all Odin needs to is send Jiren to, say, the Negative Zone. Or hell.
Bell rings, Jiren blitz over, punch Odin in the skull taking his head clean off. The fight is over. Odin didn't get a chance to process anything. Nothing. It is just that easy.
Originally posted by carver9
Bell rings, Jiren blitz over, punch Odin in the skull taking his head clean off. The fight is over. Odin didn't get a chance to process anything. Nothing. It is just that easy.
You realize Jiren doesn't start the match powered up, right?
Bell rings, and an already fully powered giant Asgardian Destroyer fires off a disintigration beam at a fully depowered Jiren.
This is why Dragon Ball characters can never, ever win a match under standard forum rules. Active powers need to be "switched on", while passive powers (Like durability) is available from the bell.
Dragon Ball characters need to channel their ki and transform. They need to "prep". And Odin doesn't.
So Jiren loses, by forum rules. Horribly.
To any comic character. Jiren loses to Batman.