Wolverine vs. Black Panther

Originally posted by Silent Master
The stronger than steel comment doesn't prove what he thinks it does, as admantium can also be described as stronger than steel.

He doesn't understand what an open ended statement is.

Well, as I said, according to his own arguments in other threads, IM armour is 4x stronger than steel. Vibranium pierced the armour without being damaged in return (the whole action-reaction thing). And then add in the comment by Captain America, which I have directly pointed out to him before. So, him ignoring all of that and going back to a single statement by Stark from the 40s is blatant lowballing.

Either that, or he genuinely cannot grasp that all Howard Stark's comment does is establish a lower baseline to how tough Vibranium is, not it's ultimate strength. In which case, discussing it with him is pointless in anyways.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Fox Adamantium is most certainly not indestructible, as shown on a recent episode of The Gifted, which is part of that universe. The Strucker kids were put in a room lined with Adamantium and told to go HAM with their powers, and they made a hole in the one wall.

This was it at the start:

This was it after:

Also, it's funny how this guy goes on about how Tony's armour is supposedly 4x stronger than steel (based on unrelated RL numbers from after the film). Yet when debating Adamantium vs Vibranium (which pierced said armour), he falls back to the "stronger than steel" quote. And this is also after I pointed out in a previous thread that, at a later point in Age of Ultron, Captain America also refers to it as the "strongest" metal on MCU Earth.

No one said it was indestructible.

No metal in marvel is considered indestructible.

Adamantium which is the strongest metal in marvel is the only one to be categorized as Virtually indestructible. Not indestructible.

Your lack of information about Marvel has been noted TheVault

Originally posted by Silent Master
Stark and Stryker's statements don't prove anything.

By feats, movie vibranium > movie admantium.

They do and are valid for debating. The fact that you cant cope with these statements doesnt mean they are invalid 😂

Originally posted by Silent Master
The stronger than steel comment doesn't prove what he thinks it does, as admantium can also be described as stronger than steel.

He doesn't understand what an open ended statement is.

Stop avoiding things.

Vibranium doesnt hold the title of "Virtually Indestructible".

Adamantium>Vibranium any way you see it.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, as I said, according to his own arguments in other threads, IM armour is 4x stronger than steel. Vibranium pierced the armour without being damaged in return (the whole action-reaction thing). And then add in the comment by Captain America, which I have directly pointed out to him before. So, him ignoring all of that and going back to a single statement by Stark from the 40s is blatant lowballing.

Either that, or he genuinely cannot grasp that all Howard Stark's comment does is establish a lower baseline to how tough Vibranium is, not it's ultimate strength. In which case, discussing it with him is pointless in anyways.

Oh you just keep having feelings against me because i proved you Cap>Cage!!!

Its obvious you are being biased and against me.

Sorry but i dont make debates personal.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay you dont seem to understand.

So you are basically saying that each time a new character/item is introduced such item/being all of a sudden starts existing?

Adamantium for instance will be created in that very exact point in time in the universe (When it appears in a movie)? A small big bang will occur and Adamantium will come into existence?

Thats not how it works. Any being/item that has not been mention in the MCU exists within it. Its just that they are dormant. Waiting to appear in a movie.

Beings like the Living Tribunal, The Beyonder, Galactus, they all exist within the MCU's universe. They are just nog mentioned yet.

Yes lol, that should be EXACTLY how it works. And Living Tribunal has been mentioned in Dr. Strange(they have his staff). Galactus and Beyonder have never been referenced and thus as of now do not exist in the MCU. I don't see why that is a big deal, since if Galactus has never been mentioned there is no valid reason to bring him up in any debate about the MCU.

The MCU is essentially an alternate universe to the marvel comics 616 universe.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes lol, that should be EXACTLY how it works. And Living Tribunal has been mentioned in Dr. Strange(they have his staff). Galactus and Beyonder have never been referenced and thus as of now do not exist in the MCU. I don't see why that is a big deal, since if Galactus has never been mentioned there is no valid reason to bring him up in any debate about the MCU.

The MCU is essentially an alternate universe to the marvel comics 616 universe.

Whenever the MCU introduces a new character it doesnt start existing in that moment.

Isnt like Spider Man was born in Civil War. Not literally.

According to your way of thinking Spider Man wasnt alive prior to Civil War? He wasnt a part of the MCU universe?

I mean on screen he wasnt. But he did existed in the Universe.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
They do and are valid for debating. The fact that you cant cope with these statements doesnt mean they are invalid 😂

Stop avoiding things.

Vibranium doesnt hold the title of "Virtually Indestructible".

Adamantium>Vibranium any way you see it.

Statements are worthless without feats backing them up and by feats.

Movie vibranium > Adamantium

This is getting ridiculous. BP wins, end of story. Too fast, too strong, too skilled, with an impenetrable armor.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Statements are worthless without feats backing them up and by feats.

Movie vibranium > Adamantium

Those statements are backed by the persons who said them. And also by the feats that back them.

Originally posted by FrothByte
This is getting ridiculous. BP wins, end of story. Too fast, too strong, too skilled, with an impenetrable armor.

Wolverine wins.

Super regeneration, super durable body, fast, super strong...

Wolverine has the edge.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Those statements are backed by the persons who said them. And also by the feats that back them.

Saying that the statements are backed by the people saying them is circular logic.

Also by feats, movie vibranium > movie admantium.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Whenever the MCU introduces a new character it doesnt start existing in that moment.

Isnt like Spider Man was born in Civil War. Not literally.

According to your way of thinking Spider Man wasnt alive prior to Civil War? He wasnt a part of the MCU universe?

I mean on screen he wasnt. But he did existed in the Universe.

Okay, nobody is saying they don't exist in the sense that within the universe they were just created. It is merely talking about for the purposes of debate.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Those statements are backed by the persons who said them. And also by the feats that back them.

But we do not have any feats for adamantium in the MCU. You are pulling feats from other film universes and the comics, that defeats the purpose of using movie characters.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Saying that the statements are backed by the people saying them is circular logic.

Also by feats, movie vibranium > movie admantium.

They each experienced different things. A direct comparisson cant be drawn.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay, nobody is saying they don't exist in the sense that within the universe they were just created. It is merely talking about for the purposes of debate.

But we do not have any feats for adamantium in the MCU. You are pulling feats from other film universes and the comics, that defeats the purpose of using movie characters.

Okay. So you agree they do exist in the Universe.

So there is Adamantium in the MCU but it hasnt been shown on screen.

That means that Adamantium is dormant in the MCU until it appears in a movie.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Wolverine wins.

Super regeneration, super durable body, fast, super strong...

Wolverine has the edge.

Hah, no. Wolverine is not stronger or faster that BP. His HF is the only advantage he has over BP but even that is nullified by BP's vibranium suit.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
They each experienced different things. A direct comparisson cant be drawn.

Yes it can.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay. So you agree they do exist in the Universe.

So there is Adamantium in the MCU but it hasnt been shown on screen.

That means that Adamantium is dormant in the MCU until it appears in a movie.

I don't think it matters what you want to categorize adamantium as, but suffice to say as of now we have no feats for it and thus for the purposes of a debate it might as well not exist lol. But yes it probably does exist in the MCU, but until we see it in action it's not usable. Also IMO we would need more than just statements.

So if in the next Avengers movie it shows some adamantium somewhere in a box and Iron Man comments on how it is indestructible...it should still need feats showing that. We see in the X-Men movie universe it can withstand all kinds of damage, so that franchise actually established how tough it was and didn't merely rely on character statements.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hah, no. Wolverine is not stronger or faster that BP. His HF is the only advantage he has over BP but even that is nullified by BP's vibranium suit.

He fought Ninjas which he later moved liie if nothing regardless the numbers and the poison.

BP loses.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes it can.

No.

Yes