Originally posted by SunRazerI'll get to this tomorrow. Busy with other debates and trying to finish NG+3 in Dark Souls 3, lol.
No, but they don't disprove it either. And more crucially, they all cite Byss being a dark side nexus AFTER Palpatine arrived. Every one of them mentions Byss already being one of Palpatine's retreat worlds, except the Luke one which is from DE — almost three decades after Palpatine's arrival.So no, you've only shown that it was a some sort of nexus some twenty-five to thirty thousand years prior to Palpatine. No source makes any explicit mention of its properties as a nexus until Palpatine comes and corrupts it; the dark side nexus is entirely attributed to Palpatine in the source I quoted and the ones you cite all talk about Byss after Palpatine has set up there. So you've not shown me anything.
That's not how it works, lol. Palpatine is not the Sceptre of Marka Ragnos. He doesn't drain nexuses. Every source only ever mentions him draining the life force of the individuals. If he's not present on the planet, then the nexus is irrelevant. The nexus was created by his dark side experiments that he fueled through the draining of individuals anyway.
That scan's irrelevant because Palpatine is actually on Byss at that moment. Has nothing to do with him draining the planet's population off Byss.
Where does it say he was dying? He said he used it to prolong his life/delay the aging process, and other sources reveal that he also fueled his dark side experiments with them. This also has nothing to do with my point.
Palpatine's draining was underway by the time Vader arrived, meaning his experiments that would corrupt the planet were also underway. The planet was already being corrupted.
Vampiric means feeding on blood, or in this case feeding on life force. Presumably Sidious is affected by hunger to some extent (it's difficult to argue otherwise since he actually does spend the whole time feeding) but really there's no comparison to Nihilus' identity subsumption.
He cites the use of stats for the purposes of story groups and authors' referrals. He doesn't actually call them canon. Valid? Possibly. But as I said before, if you're going to use this argument then you'll be making a variety of concessions on Nihilus' planet-draining feats.
What are you talking about? It's easy in that they're willing, but that willingness was created and perpetuated by Palpatine in the first place. Surely he deserves plaudits for that, especially given as neither feat required conscious effort on his part.
And the drain is used to delay his aging and fuel his dark side experiments, not empower himself in the Force.
I view it as a good showing of willpower, but relevant to a fight? Not quite. But it's worth mentioning because greater imbalances are achieved more easily later on, and they're worth mentioning in the context of power.
No, but they don't disprove it either. And more crucially, they all cite Byss being a dark side nexus AFTER Palpatine arrived. Every one of them mentions Byss already being one of Palpatine's retreat worlds, except the Luke one which is from DE — almost three decades after Palpatine's arrival. So no, you've only shown that it was a some sort of nexus some twenty-five to thirty thousand years prior to Palpatine. No source makes any explicit mention of its properties as a nexus until Palpatine comes and corrupts it; the dark side nexus is entirely attributed to Palpatine in the source I quoted and the ones you cite all talk about Byss after Palpatine has set up there. So you've not shown me anything.
It's confirmed to be a nexus before Sidious' arrival though, as of the Rakata gaining interest int, because they were visiting Force strong worlds. I concede that it's true the strength of the nexus could have waned or bolstered over the centuries, but regardless, it was still a nexus.
That's not how it works, lol. Palpatine is not the Sceptre of Marka Ragnos. He doesn't drain nexuses. Every source only ever mentions him draining the life force of the individuals. If he's not present on the planet, then the nexus is irrelevant. The nexus was created by his dark side experiments that he fueled through the draining of individuals anyway. That scan's irrelevant because Palpatine is actually on Byss at that moment. Has nothing to do with him draining the planet's population off Byss.
I agree on the "Palpatine is not the Sceptre of Marka Ragnos" bit, I'll give ya that one. The scan is relevant, however, because (iirc) it took place before any of his rituals, and Sidious and Vader both were still being amped.
Where does it say he was dying? He said he used it to prolong his life/delay the aging process, and other sources reveal that he also fueled his dark side experiments with them. This also has nothing to do with my point. Palpatine's draining was underway by the time Vader arrived, meaning his experiments that would corrupt the planet were also underway. The planet was already being corrupted.
I assumed it to mean he was draining Byss to slow his aging and degradation to buy himself enough time to either get his clone bodies or find a way to live forever, as he intended. Draining Byss was a means to stave off death.
Vampiric means feeding on blood, or in this case feeding on life force. Presumably Sidious is affected by hunger to some extent (it's difficult to argue otherwise since he actually does spend the whole time feeding) but really there's no comparison to Nihilus' identity subsumption.
I agree that his hunger isn't really *exactly* the same as Nihilus', just that hunger WAS consuming Sidious.
What are you talking about? It's easy in that they're willing, but that willingness was created and perpetuated by Palpatine in the first place. Surely he deserves plaudits for that, especially given as neither feat required conscious effort on his part.
I'm not saying the feat is unimpressive, just that it's not AS impressive as most here seem to think. He conquered the minds of the populace, and then began draining them. Now, I don't think any REASONABLE person would assume that Sidious could do this near continually for decades, so he must have been using SOME of the energy he got from the drain, to fuel his mind control of them.
I view it as a good showing of willpower, but relevant to a fight? Not quite. But it's worth mentioning because greater imbalances are achieved more easily later on, and they're worth mentioning in the context of power.
Such as? I feel like you're gonna get into Sid's and Plagueis' meditation ritual, which I've been over NUMEROUS times now.
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Sorry that this response is bare-bones, and that it took me so long to get back to it. In all honesty, I DID plan on getting back to it sooner, but it slipped my mind because I had other things going on, been helping my Grandparents out a lot recently.