Deadly shooting in Wichita linked to "Swatting"

Originally posted by riv6672
You're correct.
While not a policeman, i faced the same situation multiple times in the Army.

Been reading on this here and there, and ppl are just straight up calling for the officer's head, proclaiming police brutality, calling psycho...
...the best way to not have had this happen was to not have instigated it in the first place.

And thats pretty much all i've got to say about this.

Cheers

American citizens are not enemy combatants. Police officers are supposed to serve and protect them, not treat them like enemy soldiers.

No. They don't. That is a Lie.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
American citizens are not enemy combatants. Police officers are supposed to serve and protect them, not treat them like enemy soldiers.

...that is.. totally not what his point.

If someone thinks a police officer has a duty to inhibit his own sense of self preservation, so that they can make absolutely certain they're being drawn on, then police are held to an unrealistic standard.

There's a reason people are told to show hands. So that there's absolutely no doubt, at all, and no mistakes to be made.

Originally posted by shiv

The Suspect has not spoken

Had the suspect spoken the officer will have known: The voice on the line. Wait a minute. Sir. Can you say that again? Sir I think there has been a misunderstanding.

Thats the way it would have gone

-Is he reaching for flint, a match, a lighter

Available Data = The property has been covered in gasoline

Just 1 spark. Drop a coin. Drop a set of car keys. Drop a comb. Drop a ball of steel wool on a hard stone / concrete surface and you're looking at a situation where the whole neighbourhood is on fire.

The misunderstanding is you thinking the SWAT officer took the initial phone call from the prankster & then assuming whoever opened the door MUST be the killer...

Do you realise calls to 911 actually go to a call centre & then they dispatch officers out?

And distinguishing a recorded voice to someone's real voice, especially someone you don't know or have never met is not the most accurate way to identify someone?

LOL what world do you live in when coins, keys, combs & steel wool is considered the arsonists' choice of starting a fire?

The amount of times I've dropped coins & keys on my concrete floor, my neighbourhood doesn't realise how lucky it is to be still standing!

What do you think all that communications equipment in police vehicles is for

Do you really think people sound exactly the same in person as they do over a police radio? or that 911 plays the call for the responding officers?

In my time on this rock I've had to make 5 calls (to call in an Emergency)

1 report: some one knocked out next to an ATM at 1am

waited till the paramedics got there and I spoke to them

1 report: gave the police a heads up, this one was not a call to an emergency number

1 report: the line to the emergency desk was terminated = Detectives who arrived at the scene? Yes. They heard it.

I report: B&E not an emergency Dispatch sent details of the report for an officer to stop by sometime and write a report

1 report: Dispatch asked me to keep the line open so everyone on their end and everyone on the way - could hear the situation as it developed.

Btw next time you're wearing wool slacks, pajamas, pants or chinos reach for a comb, put it in your pocket, walk around for a few minutes, take a seat, check out your social media, forget you have it there - then take it out

You'll observe the same phenomenon as when you pull of a sweater (Disclaimer: not all sweaters do this - But most people who wear clothes will have some experience of this)

But you never considered the prankster could’ve used a fake accent to disguise his true voice.

And it’s been scientifically proven that you can’t start a fire using static electricity.
And coins & steel wool don’t spark when dropped on a concrete floor.

people have been starting fires for centuries with steel and stone

Yes, by flint & stone.

But you’re original assumption was that the alleged arsonist was possibly armed with a pocketful of coins, keys, a comb or steel wool & those items justified a threat to the SWAT officers & anyone else in the house.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
He didn't have a weapon, you gigantic ****ing retard.

"But maybe he did have one"

I would imagine that "not being blind" is a pre-requisite for being a police officer. An officer should be able to tell if someone is drawing a weapon or not.

You need to take a moment to assess your retarded position here. You are literally asserting that it is justified for police to murder citizens as long as they "feel" threatened. If that's the position you actually hold then I hope that one day you or someone you love gets pulled over by police and shot immediately.

People like you make me sick. Go jump into an unknown, life threatening situation where your safety, and the safety of many others is at stake, and see how calm and collected you are.

Originally posted by shiv
Available Data Going In

Hostage Situation

Suspect has killed one hostage

Suspect has doused the property with gasoline

Suspect is unstable and does not want to communicate further

The Police Officer arriving at the scene is jumping feet first into the unknown here.

The Officer asks the Suspect to raise his hands

The Suspect makes a move

I think we can all agree the suspect is not raising his hands up here.

The Suspect has not spoken

Had the suspect spoken the officer will have known: The voice on the line. Wait a minute. Sir. Can you say that again? Sir I think there has been a misunderstanding.

Thats the way it would have gone

But the suspect was non communicative and made a move

The officer has got to be thinking

-Is he reaching for flint, a match, a lighter

Available Data = The property has been covered in gasoline

Just 1 spark. Drop a coin. Drop a set of car keys. Drop a comb. Drop a ball of steel wool on a hard stone / concrete surface and you're looking at a situation where the whole neighbourhood is on fire.

Originally posted by shiv
Just 1 spark. Drop a coin.

Nope.

Drop a set of car keys.

Nope

Drop a comb.

Nope

Drop a ball of steel wool on a hard stone / concrete surface and you're looking at a situation where the whole neighbourhood is on fire.

Nope.

Drop a Detonator?

Originally posted by cdtm
This is true.

This is also something no one on the scene knew at the time. Afatk, they were responding to a murder.

Why didn't the police make sure?

Why don't people make sure there's really a fire, before trampling each other running for their lives?

Running from the fire will not kill anyone.

This is a false equivalency.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
People like you make me sick. Go jump into an unknown, life threatening situation where your safety, and the safety of many others is at stake, and see how calm and collected you are.

Originally posted by cdtm
...that is.. totally not what his point.

If someone thinks a police officer has a duty to inhibit his own sense of self preservation, so that they can make absolutely certain they're being drawn on, then police are held to an unrealistic standard.

There's a reason people are told to show hands. So that there's absolutely no doubt, at all, and no mistakes to be made.

Yet, it does not negate my point. There is a world of difference between how a police officer is supposed to respond to a civilian whose duty it is for him to protect, and how a soldier is supposed to respond to an enemy combatant whose duty it is for him to kill. Police officers absolutely have a responsibility to the public to respond with lethal force as a last resort, not as a first option. Note the emphasis on respond, meaning that they should return lethal force with lethal force, not use it preemptively. If they cannot do that, they are not cut out for police work.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Yet, it does not negate my point. There is a world of difference between how a police officer is supposed to respond to a civilian whose duty it is for him to protect, and how a soldier is supposed to respond to an enemy combatant whose duty it is for him to kill. Police officers absolutely have a responsibility to the public to respond with lethal force as a last resort, not as a first option. Note the emphasis on respond, meaning that they should return lethal force with lethal force, not use it preemptively. If they cannot do that, they are not cut out for police work.

So you feel they shouldn't fire, unless fired upon.

Friend, if Greedo wasn't such a bad shot, Han never would have had the chance to fire second. 😉

Leftists Love Dead Cops.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
A police officer's job is to be calm and collected while risking his life. It is not Tzeentch's job.

You do know a police officer is a human with human instincts of self preservation right?

I like how some of you claims such shit. Go and receive a policeman training, then be put on in a life or death situation, and see how you react.