Originally posted by Rockydonovang
A police officer's job is to be calm and collected while risking his life. It is not Tzeentch's job.
What a silly thing to say. Cops aren't soldiers, they aren't trained that way. Yes, ideally a cop should be calm and collected. But when shit is going down and you think someone is armed and has hostages it is not easy to be all calm and cool. Even the best cop can panic.
Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, ideally a cop should be calm and collected.
Cops are given special powers over other people on the basis they won't be reckless with that power. If the cop makes a mistake and that mistake costs someone their life, he needs to be held accountable.
Tzeentch doesn't need to be held to the same satndard, because he has not been given the same privileges and power or the responsibility being a cop warrants.
Originally posted by juggerman
People have gotten trampled to death. I think that was the point
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Uh yeah, you're not supposed to "trample people to death." In fact, we're taught from grade school that in the case of a fire, you exit the building in an orderly fashion rather than panic. So I'm not sure where's he's trying to go with this analogy.
I'm not sure either. Maybe that anyone can panic and cause damage?
Originally posted by Lestov16
Anybody who is given legal authority to kill must be held to a firm set of standards. Because the only difference between murder and execution is legal authority, and allowing public officers carte blanche immunity is what eventually leads to authoritarian regimes.
Hence why I think that police body cameras and a clear standard for the context in which they must be presented as evidence is a great way to resolve both sides of the issue (police abuse and false accusations of police abuse).
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
No, not "ideally". A cop is supposed to be calm and collected, otherwise he has no business being a cop.Cops are given special powers over other people on the basis they won't be reckless with that power. If the cop makes a mistake and that mistake costs someone their life, he needs to be held accountable.
Tzeentch doesn't need to be held to the same satndard, because he has not been given the same privileges and power or the responsibility being a cop warrants.
And he will be held accountable, drawing your weapon and killing a civilian is never taken lightly. But he's not the sole party responsible, the peice of shit who called in the prank is equally, (more, IMO) guilty, and should be treated as such. But The statement "don't be blind" is one of the most insulting, over simplifications of a potential life or death scenario I've ever read in my life.
Originally posted by Surtur
What a silly thing to say. Cops aren't soldiers, they aren't trained that way. Yes, ideally a cop should be calm and collected. But when shit is going down and you think someone is armed and has hostages it is not easy to be all calm and cool. Even the best cop can panic.
This is the problem. They should be trained this way, especially a SWAT officer. Police training needs to be increased substantially.
I mean that's just horribly unrealistic imho. Not that just shooting anyone you remotely suspect of being dangerous is a good idea, but if you have your weapon drawn and I'm reaching for mine it's entirely plausible that I could quickdraw and shoot before you shoot back if you're hesitating and waiting for 100% visual confirmation.
Originally posted by BackFire
Well if you have some other kind of confirmation besides visual confirmation then that's fine. But there needs to be some kind of confirmation happening. Someone reaching for their waistband to pull up their pajama bottoms isn't that.
But if they wait and it turns out the person isn't reaching to pull up their PJ's...aren't they kinda like...in danger of getting shot?
Originally posted by Surtur
But if they wait and it turns out the person isn't reaching to pull up their PJ's...aren't they kinda like...in danger of getting shot?
Only if they have slow reflexes and are bad at their chosen profession.
Which again, goes back to training them better. I believe cops should have much more intense and lengthy training, while also paying those who pass said training much more than we currently do.