Kefla vs Hit

Peak power Kefla. Hit gets killing techs.

Who wins?

In the ToP rules, definitely Kefla. With Hit killing techniques, still Kefla. She was awesomely powerful.

Hit easily dodges Kefla's barrages with time skip and stuff. I don't see Kefla being strategic enough to overcome Hit's techniques, at least not enough to soundly beat him, IMO.

Kefla was absurdly strong, even scratching a stronger UI Goku than the one Jiren wasn't landing on. She also tends to have an adjusting period when fighting, which means she eats Hits one shot kill technique to the heart.

Kefla, and easily.

She was implied to be even stronger than the first UI Goku, who was on par with suppressed Jiren, who in turn was oneshotting SSJB KKx20 with a glare. She's waaaaaay stronger than Hit.

Hit temporarily paralyzed Jiren with his final attack strategy. If Jiren can be immobilized by that (even if only for a minute/brief time), no way would Kefla be immune to Hit's paralysis. If he freezes her, it's probably over, despite how powerful she is.

The issue is that Kefla is even more powerful than the suppressed Jiren that fought Goku and Hit.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Hit easily dodges Kefla's barrages with time skip and stuff. I don't see Kefla being strategic enough to overcome Hit's techniques, at least not enough to soundly beat him, IMO.

Anywho, I do think the time-cage would pwn Kefla, but I don't think Hit would need to go that far in all honesty... I believe his killing techniques + evolved time-skip would be enough. /shrug

Piccolo theorizes that Kefla "surpassed Goku's earlier level" (in context this seems to be referring to Goku when he first went UI). Kefla going all-out was also able to hit an advanced UI Goku, something suppressed Jiren couldn't do to regular UI Goku.

Another reason to believe that Kefla has reached such a level is that her regular LSSJ form rivals the spirit bomb that's > SSJB KKx20...and I believe you yourself said that LSSJ2 is probably much more than a 2x multiplier to LSSJ1.

We have no knowledge of Hit's killing techniques other than what he used against SSJB Goku...which Goku handled just fine. SSJB Goku is a complete and utter microbe to a serious LSSJ Kefla, much less LSSJ2 FP Kefla.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Piccolo theorizes that Kefla "surpassed Goku's earlier level" (in context this seems to be referring to Goku when he first went UI). Kefla going all-out was also able to hit an advanced UI Goku, something suppressed Jiren couldn't do to regular UI Goku.

Another reason to believe that Kefla has reached such a level is that her regular LSSJ form rivals the spirit bomb that's > SSJB KKx20...and I believe you yourself said that LSSJ2 is probably much more than a 2x multiplier to LSSJ1.

We have no knowledge of Hit's killing techniques other than what he used against SSJB Goku...which Goku handled just fine. SSJB Goku is a complete and utter microbe to a serious LSSJ Kefla, much less LSSJ2 FP Kefla.

Jiren handled the Genki Dama with a f*cking eye-blink. He easily dodged UI Goku's initial salvo. He matched UI Goku in every conceivable way. Etc.

Conversely, Kefla was utterly outclassed by UI Goku, and therefore, was well below the aforementioned [suppressed] Jiren, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
I completely agree, tbh. Especially since we've never even seen what Hit can do when he's going all-out. In every fight we've seen him in thus far, he's had to significantly hold back(even against Jiren.) On that note, I also don't think that Kefla was in any way implied to be > the suppressed Jiren that UI Goku fought... But more importantly, we don't know how much power Jiren exerted to break free of Hit's time-cage(he could have been using far more power than he did against Goku, for all we know.)

Anywho, I do think the time-cage would pwn Kefla, but I don't think Hit would need to go that far in all honesty... I believe his killing techniques + evolved time-skip would be enough. /shrug

He went all out against Goku during their second fight.

Originally posted by carver9
He went all out against Goku during their second fight.

In Round 2 of their rematch, however, Hit was no longer trying to 'kill' Goku, imo... Not really. That's why Vados and Champa noted that he was enjoying the fight too much, and not acting in the capacity of a true assassin:

So could Hit even hurt Kefla?

He claimed it doesn't matter how tough you are, if he's aiming for vulnerable points.

Obviously, this doesn't apply to Jiren.

With killing techniques? Absolutely.

Why doesn't it apply to Jiren? Hit couldn't use killing techniques against him, or he would have violated the ToP's rules... The best he could do in that setting was try to incapacitate/freeze Jiren with a time-cage.

Just a quick clarification: Goku revived himself with his own blast falling from the sky.

Originally posted by Galan007
With killing techniques? Absolutely.

Why doesn't it apply to Jiren? Hit couldn't use killing techniques against him, or he would have violated the ToP's rules... The best he could do in that setting was try to incapacitate/freeze Jiren with a time-cage.

Hmm..

So if Hit was out to asassinate him, and could "hax" (As the kids say, and whatever it means) him long enough to get off an attack, do you think it would take effect, the same way it did against Goku?

Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Just a quick clarification: Goku revived himself with his own blast falling from the sky.

Which makes no sense.

Blasts generally don't react to gravity, nor are they self guiding (every example of moving attacks involves someone actively "steering" them.

Originally posted by cdtm
Which makes no sense.

Blasts generally don't react to gravity, nor are they self guiding (every example of moving attacks involves someone actively "steering" them.

Well, what to say: Goku realized he was dying and he thus purposefully shot that blast with that goal (i.e. to revive himself) in mind. It's very clear from the scene.

And he's still out of it. There's never, ever been a scene where a blast is programmed to act independently. Not from Freeza's discs, not from Goku and Krillin maneuvering Kamehameha's. There has always been an active mind behind those attacks.

Goku was most definitely out of it when Hit's attack struck.

Had hit been able to use his full range of abilities, that shot he landed on Jiren would have been a goku killer to the heart.

Would it have worked? Probably not, because it's Jiren and things don't work on him for whatever reason, but still would have been better than to be left wondering.