Originally posted by PessimysticWe see it happen we don't see Dooku do this to Palpatine. I don't have to disprove your theory you have to prove it. If you don't know how debating works take your trolling elsewhere.
And what evidence would that be? Windu defeating Palpatine? Do you have any evidence at all suggesting Dooku couldn't do this? You adhere to the 'Mace wasn't being substantially amped' position, correct? Or at least it wasn't a one-off and he can replicate that showing again?
The other three Jedi in the room glanced guiltily at Yoda. He snorted, but laugh lines crinkled around his eyes. "Mm. Thinking of students, I am. Best then I should go to battle with him in whom the Force is strongest, hmm? With young Skywalker, think you?"
"He's not polished," Ilena said.
"And too impulsive," Mace added.
"Hm." Yoda stirred again with his stick. "Then best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force?" He nodded. "Best of all, Dooku would be!" His eyes found the other Jedi, one by one: and one by one, they looked away. "Our great student!" Yoda's ears flexed, then drooped. "Our great failure."
Yoda calls Dooku the strongest student with Mace in the room. And sources say that Jedi Dooku outsparred Mace, but never the opposite. I'd say an even split because Vaapad is pretty good against dark siders.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
The other three Jedi in the room glanced guiltily at Yoda. He snorted, but laugh lines crinkled around his eyes. "Mm. Thinking of students, I am. Best then I should go to battle with him in whom the Force is strongest, hmm? With young Skywalker, think you?""He's not polished," Ilena said.
"And too impulsive," Mace added.
"Hm." Yoda stirred again with his stick. "Then best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force?" He nodded. "Best of all, Dooku would be!" His eyes found the other Jedi, one by one: and one by one, they looked away. "Our great student!" Yoda's ears flexed, then drooped. "Our great failure."
Yoda calls Dooku the strongest student with Mace in the room. And sources say that Jedi Dooku outsparred Mace, but never the opposite. I'd say an even split because Vaapad is pretty good against dark siders.
Unless you think this was a one off event Quanchi, where Mace was amped through the roof?
Because logically, it makes sense Dooku would do just as well if not better.
In every fight Dooku has stomped Ventress and then finally killed her with lightning, Mace needed to use all of his skills to defeat her.
Dooku swiftly disarmed Bulq and force pwned him. Mace duelled evenly, both landed telekinetic blows on one another.
Their fights against Grievous would also be an example of this.
Originally posted by PessimysticI don't have to prove anything since the facts show he won. You can't prove Windu wouldn't lost every other time. You just ask questions and speculate which isn't debating,
Unless you think this was a one off event Quanchi, where Mace was amped through the roof?Because logically, it makes sense Dooku would do just as well if not better.
In every fight Dooku has stomped Ventress and then finally killed her with lightning, Mace needed to use all of his skills to defeat her.
Dooku swiftly disarmed Bulq and force pwned him. Mace duelled evenly, both landed telekinetic blows on one another.
Their fights against Grievous would also be an example of this.
Dooku was held captive by Hondo's pirate pals and he was killed quickly and decisively by Anakij whi was defeated by Kenobi. Windu beat Sidious Dooku hasn't. Condolences.
- Mace is only able to match Dooku while they're both still Jedi (A source says Windu is better, another says the Count is.)
- 'Dooku became even more formidable after leaving the Order and joining the Sith'
- Dooku has been listed as one of history's most powerful Force practitioners, Mace has not.
This all places the Count over Windu.
If Mace wasn't amped during his duel with Sidious, why would someone superior perform worse? They wouldn't. But you're not willing to concede that Windu can't replicate that showing every time or that Dooku is equal to Mace.
First off, TCW is rife with inconsistencies, and if someone superior to Windu was held captive by Hondo's crew, what makes you think Mace would instantly escape or outright evade his captors?
Killed quickly and decisively by an enraged Anakin who'd temporarily unlocked his potential. Mustafar Anakin was hindered, there's no comparing these two Anakin's as Dooku has easily dealt with Obi-Wan many times.