Darth Tyranus vs. Mace Windu (Sabers)

Originally posted by Pessimystic
- Mace is only able to match Dooku while they're both still Jedi (A source says Windu is better, another says the Count is.)

- 'Dooku became even more formidable after leaving the Order and joining the Sith'

- Dooku has been listed as one of history's most powerful Force practitioners, Mace has not.

This all places the Count over Windu.

If Mace wasn't amped during his duel with Sidious, why would someone superior perform worse? They wouldn't. But you're not willing to concede that Windu can't replicate that showing every time or that Dooku is equal to Mace.

First off, TCW is rife with inconsistencies, and if someone superior to Windu was held captive by Hondo's crew, what makes you think Mace would instantly escape or outright evade his captors?

Killed quickly and decisively by an enraged Anakin who'd temporarily unlocked his potential. Mustafar Anakin was hindered, there's no comparing these two Anakin's as Dooku has easily dealt with Obi-Wan many times.

So your logic Quanchi is, if it hasn't happened yet it can't happen?

- One with inferior skill and power defeats Sidious.
- One with greater skill and power can't beat Sidious because it hasn't happened.

I never realised how truly stupid you were until now.

I wonder if this has anything to do with your Maul wank, and you not accepting Dooku's better at everything?

Originally posted by Pessimystic
So your logic Quanchi is, if it hasn't happened yet it can't happen?

- One with inferior skill and power defeats Sidious.
- One with greater skill and power can't beat Sidious because it hasn't happened.

I never realised how truly stupid you were until now.

I wonder if this has anything to do with your Maul wank, and you not accepting Dooku's better at everything?

Windu's skill was superior to Sidious' whereas we have never seen Dooku to be able to outduel Sidious with a saber.

Not saying it can't happen only that is hasn't happened therefore carries less weight.

You misunderstand my posts but I don't care what your thoughts are. So save them for someone who cares about you. Perhaps your mother but judging from out interactions I'd say it is safe to say she regrets you.

Dooku is more powerful in the force than Maul but Maul is a more physical and skilled duelist IMO than Dooku.

Originally posted by Geistalt
There's no reason he couldn't have surpassed Dooku after all that time.

Except this was in the midst of the Clone Wars during Yoda: Dark Rendezvous.

If people can't realize that characters can have situational advantages in Star Wars I don't see the point of debating battles. The ABC logic can only take you so far when every source there is explains to us there were critical factors affecting each battle.

Dooku would win if this is pre-TPM, Mace if TPM, Dooku if AOTC, Mace if ROTS.

Since it's presumably ROTS, Mace in a good fight.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Except this was in the midst of the Clone Wars during Yoda: Dark Rendezvous.

Mace surpassed Dooku toward the end of the war, IMO, tbh. ^

Despite that not making sense?

Why doesn't it make sense? The Outer Rim Sieges also saw Obi-Wan and Anakin significantly increase in ability.

I also feel Dark Rendezvous no longer falls under 19 BBY due to TCW, and that instead it should be pushed to the early-war.

So while they're both still Jedi, Dooku's understanding of the Force was far beyond his peers and was the Jedi's strongest and wisest student.

Without even factoring in the Count's power growth after leaving the Order, Mace couldn't have closed this gap fighting in some Outer Rim missions.

Jedi Dooku holds an edge over pre-TPM Mace due to power, but sources do state they are equal in combat.

Around TPM, multiple sources state Mace has become / is on par with TPM Yoda, thereby indicating he surpassed Dooku.

Dooku presumably catches up and surpasses Mace by AotC and into the Clone Wars due to dark-side studying.

Mace, based on his fight with Sheev, statements by George, and accolades around RotS, surpassed Dooku once more.

There's definitely a back-and-forth dynamic between Mace and Dooku that you're missing. I also think you underestimate how much Obi-Wan improved with just the Outer Rim Sieges. His lightsaber skills are easily comparable with Dooku in the RotS novel - yet months before the Outer Rim Sieges that was definitely not the case. It's logical to assume the same happened to Mace, given, again, his feats and hype around RotS.

TPM Mace is practically confirmed to be more powerful than Dooku.

Obi Wan and Anakin partial improved because they had a bigger room for improvement to begin with. I think it's reasonable to believe the war greatly improved Windu's fighting prowess but I don't see why it would put him above Tyranus by itself -as he was an advanced combattant before the war even started-.

If anything I think Dooku might've grown slightly weaker after the war only by the virtue of getting older. At his peak he might as well beat peak Windu in a fair fight.

Originally posted by LordOfTheLight
TPM Mace is practically confirmed to be more powerful than Dooku.

Really?