Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yoda's clearly the more capable combatant and has a deep understanding of Force techniques, so Valkorion has to have a clear edge in power to gain victory. It seems like Yoda > EoTPM Sidious >>> TPM Sidious ~ Plagueis > Valkorion via cosmic threat to the Force.
Originally posted by JKBart
Arcann has nothing on either Yoda or Valkorion's power tho. Not to mention saber combat. Valky is just so powerful he can have no problem defending against Arcann's saber barage, and easily finish him off with the Force. He can't one-shot Yoda with Lightning, and he can't do half as well against Yoda's saber ability as he did against Arcann either.
Arcann is touted to be beyond Jedi and Sith of his age in the ways of the Force. He was better prepared to cope with Valkorion's powers than even Revan as we see in Asylum.
Valkorion's FLS is not a joke. Revan's defenses completely failed against it and he is easily YODA-TIER in many respects. Even in the lore, it is stated that it is nearly impossible to counter Force lightning with raw power. And Valkorion gave a new meaning to Force lightning in terms of sheer potency.
Valkorion is too powerful for a lone Jedi or Sith to tackle. This is why his fall is a matter of plot-device in which one of his own artifacts come into play.
Honestly Arcann does have nothing on Valkorions power, but I'm not sure I'd say the same for Yoda's.
I'm also baffled at the suggestion that Yoda is far better in combat considering the stuff Valkorion pulls off. I don't see Yoda freezing time, casually blocking lightsaber attacks from an Arcann level opponent, taking out a small army with a single attack that ignores his allies or doing something similar to Valk's Lightning feat against Arcann that was downing dozens of ships with the mere cast off against Arcann's shield..... while weakened.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Honestly Arcann does have nothing on Valkorions power, but I'm not sure I'd say the same for Yoda.
However, one has to admit that Arcann handled Valkorion's FLS like a champ; a situation in which Revan failed. And Revan is definitely Yoda-TIER in his abilities.
Yoda was strong but he did not bother to tread beyond Jedi ways. Conversely, Arcann had no qualm in developing either Light or Dark techniques.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm also baffled at the suggestion that Yoda is far better in combat considering the stuff Valkorion pulls off. I don't see Yoda freezing time, casually blocking lightsaber attacks from an Arcann level opponent, taking out a small army with a single attack that ignores his allies or doing something similar to Valk's Lightning feat against Arcann that was downing dozens of ships with the mere cast off against Arcann's shield..... while weakened.
Valkorion did not bother with a lightsaber but to say that he does not know how to fight, is plain stupid.
Originally posted by Rebel95
Interesting, how so?
"The Sith had changed. The Sith had grown, had adapted, had invested a thousand years' intensive study into every aspect of not only the Force but Jedi lore itself, in preparation for exactly this day. The Sith had remade themselves.
They had become new.
While the Jedi—
The Jedi had spent that same millennium training to refight the last war."
The Jedi have been training for a millennium to fight the Sith of old. The culmination of that millennium of training is Yoda himself.
I wouldn't quite say that, especially coupled with what I believe is a large amount of evidence to suggest otherwise.
How well trained they were for war would be a matter of degree, and it's certainly plausible that the Jedi had been far better prepared for it at other points in time.
If anything all the quote really entails is that the measures they took to being prepared for that war were based on a false notion of their enemy and how the war would be fought.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Valk can freeze time, dominate three Krayt/Revan tier combatants simultaneously, is strongly implied to be capable of absorbing the Force energy of the galaxy without a ritual, and a shit ton more stuff. He wins.