Originally posted by cdtm
He's hit much faster. Goku is only sub-sonic speed, remember, that makes him slower then classic Kid Flash (Because that robot used sonar to track and counter him, e.g. Soundwaves.)
*sigh*
the combat speed insn't calculable the same way as the travel speed...
Throwing punches doesn't equal traveling a distance and DS has no showings that makes him capable to touch goku...
Originally posted by carver9
Lol... of course nothing happened to EARTH, think about it for a second. We did see suns and planets melt though.We clearly see the shockwaves affecting the Universe. Also Beerus admitted he was holding back his power against Goku so I'm unsure what you are trying to say here. The people that are besting Goku, lol, that tells us that they are just as powerful or more powerful. Also, who are these people that are beating him?
Question, do you know what holding back mean?
you threw that they were about to destroy the universe. however it seems like nothing really was effected. not even the grounds they were fighting above. suns and planets melted? wtf? i am going to rewatch that episode again i seriously dont recall such thing. maybe you are talking about the movie?
at first beerus was holding back and stated he is going 70%. however, later he got mad ans said alright 100% and goku was still making a fool out of him. then whis said beerus wasnt serious but it contradixts the fact he got mad at goku. the reason i brought everybody whiping their feet with goku red is to portray the enbalance. that means all those fighters can top beerus? because we know for sure that 70% beerus was mocked by goku red who wasnt serious as well. goku red literally couldnt do anything to jiren. got owned by kefla. got even bested by dyspo. in the latest episode got owned by that merged giant. who did goku red ever beat?
Originally posted by Dareangel
you threw that they were about to destroy the universe. however it seems like nothing really was effected. not even the grounds they were fighting above. suns and planets melted? wtf? i am going to rewatch that episode again i seriously dont recall such thing. maybe you are talking about the movie?at first beerus was holding back and stated he is going 70%. however, later he got mad ans said alright 100% and goku was still making a fool out of him. then whis said beerus wasnt serious but it contradixts the fact he got mad at goku. the reason i brought everybody whiping their feet with goku red is to portray the enbalance. that means all those fighters can top beerus? because we know for sure that 70% beerus was mocked by goku red who wasnt serious as well. goku red literally couldnt do anything to jiren. got owned by kefla. got even bested by dyspo. in the latest episode got owned by that merged giant. who did goku red ever beat?
Here is the link if you can't see the vid.
Here you go. Watch those suns and planets melt. How are you going to debate me when you know nothing of the show? WTF.
Again, "Beerus...was...holding...back...TREMENDOUSLY against Goku red". Do you not understand this?
Jiren at a partial of his power was compared to the Gods of destructions. Goku Red losing against Jiren isn't s bad thing. Lol.
Kefla was said to be stronger than the first Ultra Instinct Goku. Lol... Goku Red losing to her isn't a bad showing (WTF man).
He didn't lose to Dypso, only got punched once. Goku Red>>>Dypso. How do we know this? Because first form Frieza was stomping him during their first fight. Are you watching these episodes or just glancing over them? Dypso punched Red Goku once. That in no way translates to him being better.
Originally posted by carver9
@JL King,Are you implying Master Roshi Kameha is more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku Kameha? Are you literally using collateral damage as an argument? You're better than this. Galactus exerted his energy blasting at Thanos shielding and it didn't even destroy a portion of the room. Galactus, less than room level for the win. He fought two peers on a planet and didn't even graze the dirt up under their ft while going all out. Galactus isn't even planetary. Anyways, Canon source>>>JL King source. There's no going against this.
In DBZ, did any of the characters ever destroy a solar system? If so, please show proof. Statements as far as DBZ is concerned is not adequate. They statements characters have been exaggerated and taken out of context by characters. For every statement that was correct, i can find out that was over exaggerated. As already explained to you, the author doesn't seem to care much about consistency.
You stated that Buu destroyed a galaxy. I'm waiting for that proof. I know you wont post it because I already told you what chapter that "occurred" in. Now, if you want to discuss DB Super, Ill be happy to but first lets get some of your first statements debunked.
You can't always taken statements as a fact. A GL ring is not the most powerful weapon in the universe. No matter how many times it will be stated in the comics......
Originally posted by carver9
Here is the link if you can't see the vid.Here you go. Watch those suns and planets melt. How are you going to debate me when you know nothing of the show? WTF.
Again, "Beerus...was...holding...back...TREMENDOUSLY against Goku red". Do you not understand this?
Jiren at a partial of his power was compared to the Gods of destructions. Goku Red losing against Jiren isn't s bad thing. Lol.
Kefla was said to be stronger than the first Ultra Instinct Goku. Lol... Goku Red losing to her isn't a bad showing (WTF man).
He didn't lose to Dypso, only got punched once. Goku Red>>>Dypso. How do we know this? Because first form Frieza was stomping him during their first fight. Are you watching these episodes or just glancing over them? Dypso punched Red Goku once. That in no way translates to him being better.
We keep going round and round... ONLY STATEMENTS
It was also stated in the same movie that no matter HOW strong you get, you can't defeat another God Ki user. Except by your own admission, that's incorrect. Both Jiren, and Kefla prove that incorrect by defeating Goku in his God Mode.
Further more, your silly little video is equivalent to Superman breaking reality... RIGHT?
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111275706/5087187-3540620055-46493.jpg
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
First Form Frieza never fought Dyspo, and SSJG absolutely isn't >>> Dyspo, lol.SSJG is universal +, though, so Goku oneshots instantly.
The thing is, Krillin and Gohan were planetary level when Guldo was threatening to run them through with a tree.
Yeah, he didn't do it, but the fact he could threaten these planet busters with it proves there's something wonky with their durability.
Super only makes it worse.
I wish it weren't so, you know me. I'm the most reasonable guy you'll ever meet.
JL king (can't quote you)...
I think you think I am talking about the anime saying they can destroy a solar system. No. This came straight from a Canon bio. As for your other post, lol, that scene didn't come from the movie, that came straight from the show. Also, that was not Superman in your scan, that was Superboy Prime.
Anyways, we see the energy going through the Universe melting far away suns and planets. You bringing up infinite books (that was read down to the last page) or whatever else you want to mention doesn't take away from anything I've said.
Originally posted by carver9
JL king (can't quote you)...I think you think I am talking about the anime saying they can destroy a solar system. No. This came straight from a Canon bio. As for your other post, lol, that scene didn't come from the movie, that came straight from the show. Also, that was not Superman in your scan, that was Superboy Prime.
Anyways, we see the energy going through the Universe melting far away suns and planets. You bringing up infinite books (that was read down to the last page) or whatever else you want to mention doesn't take away from anything I've said.
It's so annoying arguing with people just think if they address a quarter of a post that they are suddenly correct.
I'm waiting on your proof that
"But he did destroys Galaxies though...lol, this was actually shown."
Second of all, It's Superman just a different version of Superman. My point completely stands. If he is strong enough to break reality by just punching thin air, he must be at least universal....
I know where that came from statement about the solar system came from. DBZ was on for what...10 years? Are you telling me that you can't find out instance where a character destroyed a galaxy or more until you get to DB Super?
Once we get through this point, we can start addressing the DB Super power levels. We will take it a step at a time.
As far as any other statement about God Ki goes, my point being is, that the author doesn't give a shit about consistencies. It took be 1 year to go back from
"only God Ki user can defeat another God ki user". We literally saw a guy not only do that, but surpass the god of destruction of another universe. Worse, we have seen SS1 not only match but beat another God ki user.
Hence my point that you can't go by what the author's intention is when he retcons stuff every 10 chapter/episodes
Originally posted by xJLxKing
It's so annoying arguing with people just think if they address a quarter of a post that they are suddenly correct.I'm waiting on your proof that
[B]"But he did destroys Galaxies though...lol, this was actually shown."Second of all, It's Superman just a different version of Superman. My point completely stands. If he is strong enough to break reality by just punching thin air, he must be at least universal....
I know where that came from statement about the solar system came from. DBZ was on for what...10 years? Are you telling me that you can't find out instance where a character destroyed a galaxy or more until you get to DB Super?
Once we get through this point, we can start addressing the DB Super power levels. We will take it a step at a time.As far as any other statement about God Ki goes, my point being is, that the author doesn't give a shit about consistencies. It took be 1 year to go back from
"only God Ki user can defeat another God ki user". We literally saw a guy not only do that, but surpass the god of destruction of another universe. Worse, we have seen SS1 not only match but beat another God ki user.Hence my point that you can't go by what the author's intention is when he retcons stuff every 10 chapter/episodes [/B]
I'll give you the scan.
It's Superman Prime and he didn't destroy dimensions by punching thin air... hell, he didn't even do it under his own power. He just punched a wall that controlled the dimensions which messed things up. We don't have as much detail on how strong you have to be to achieve that. KC Superman broke through the same wall and I'm sure given time, people like Thor can and Hulk probably could as well with a single hit. What I do know is, lol, it wasn't thin air that was being punched. The ft is nothing.
No character needed to destroy a solar system but the implied power tells us that they are capable of doing so. Your question is like me asking you to prove Superman or Thor could physically destroy a planet, hell, a city. Neither have done this which means that they don't have that level of power. Hell, prove that Doomsday can destroy a planet. Pre Reboot Darkseid. I'm sure you can show me him destroying one (un- amplified). Prove that Juggernaut is city level. Prove that Jane Thor is planetary. The Imperiex Probe, prove it. Wait, let me guess, you don't have to because this only applies to DBZ. Thanos, Zeus, Darkseid, High Father, Galactus (mere solar system buster), Tenebrous, Aegis, Ymir, all of these people are on limited to planetary level. Hell, there are some abstracts that doesn't even have planetary showings. Let's not limit this to only DBZ. Based off your argument, Frieza is more powerful than 90% of the abstracts in Marvel.
You mentioning God Ki, this was only said in the movie. We are debating the show here which overrides the movie.
Originally posted by carver9
Here is the link if you can't see the vid.Here you go. Watch those suns and planets melt. How are you going to debate me when you know nothing of the show? WTF.
Again, "Beerus...was...holding...back...TREMENDOUSLY against Goku red". Do you not understand this?
Jiren at a partial of his power was compared to the Gods of destructions. Goku Red losing against Jiren isn't s bad thing. Lol.
Kefla was said to be stronger than the first Ultra Instinct Goku. Lol... Goku Red losing to her isn't a bad showing (WTF man).
He didn't lose to Dypso, only got punched once. Goku Red>>>Dypso. How do we know this? Because first form Frieza was stomping him during their first fight. Are you watching these episodes or just glancing over them? Dypso punched Red Goku once. That in no way translates to him being better.
just as i thought. nothing melted just meaningless statements that it could happen from someone. all those years on comics book debating forum, and you still didnt learn the difference between something that indeed happened and something that is only a speculation within the plot.
know nothing about the show? someone needs a chill pill. you are adding a personal ingredient into this mix, you need to chill. just because i didnt recall that something happened in a specific scene, which now also proved to never happen in the first place, is miles and miles away from not knowing the show.
are you seriusly continue to make up things? where is the proof he was tremendously holding back? all we know is that he is stated himself that he was going 70%, then he is stated he is going 100%. later whis said he didnt go full power. this is literally all we have. all those years on KMC and you still didnt learn not to just make things up.
its not goku red losing against jiren. its the fact goku red couldnt do anything, he couldnt even effect jiren. therefor, my point is that a version of goku that could at the very least keep up and give a fight to 70% beerus, cant even effect jiren, means jiren is >> beerus. hell, that even means characters like kefla or dyspo could give trouble or even best beerus. which doesnt even make sense. again you prove to have big comprehension issues. the whole red goku comparison thing to all those characters was to portray how they should go up against beerus based on how they went up against red goku.
i didnt say lose to dyspo, i said bested by dyspo. reading comprehension again.
what the hell are you talking about? when did frieza beat or fight dyspo?? only right now they are fighting and dyspo just owned frieza. where are you pulling all this BS from?
dyspo and goku fought and red goku was bested. later on he went blue because he realized red form is not enough and that speaks for itself.
carver, why is it always twisting facts and making up things with you? i mean if there is some "truth" that you believe to be true, if you cant defend it with real facts, maybe, just maybe, its not the truth and therefor you shouldnt be defending that "truth"?
