Originally posted by Azronger
If Anakin wins, we should still have a Yoda vs Valk poll because I feel most Anakin supporters also think Yoda > Valk but couldn't do anything about it because they had to decide between two characters and could only vote for one of them.
I plan on bypassing the initial #4 thread poll since it's obvious Yoda and Valkorion are the competitors, but yes he has to beat Yoda in a poll in order to win.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
None of AP's arguments provide a clear powerscaling between Plagueis and Valkorion. What does: Palgueis's accolades and their comparative cosmic threat to the Force, both of which point to Plagueis.
He doesn't need powerscaling when he's already stomping Plagueis in the realm of feats.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Nonsense, you're just extrapolating from Satele getting knocked out that getting knocked out is negatively correlated with Force power (in which case we could argue that Bail Organa >>> Yoda during Order 66).
LMFAO. Darth Marr could feel the effects of the tidal wave from an incorporeal state. Satele Shan could protect her mind because she's got immense feats in TP and farsight.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Kek he had aid (enslaved minds + nexus) and it's basically stated to be a ritual (as I'm sure you know, where it's like "unlike other rituals Ziost was seen firsthand" (paraphrased).
He used the deaths of people to restore his power after being released in a weakened state on Yavin IV.
The man now called Vitiate by those who once served him was not strong enough to usurp all life on Yavin 4 after his reawakening. However, he did gain power enough to flee the jungle moon and survive. Now that he has found in Ziost a suitable target to replenish himself.
- Vitiate Codex Entry, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor
And you're straight up lying. It's made absolutely clear that it isn't a ritual:
Whispered rumors have persisted of planets snuffed out through intricate Sith rituals or by way of deadly, arcane machines--such as the device Revan sought to employ on Yavin 4--but Ziost represents a clear display of the corrosive power of the dark side of the Force taken to its extreme.
- Death of a World Codex entry, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Rise of the Sith Emperor
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Nowhere is it stated his power "massively" increased.
So Nathema required 8,000 Sith Lords and a ten day ritual to enact and yet Vitiate in an incorporeal form is capable of replicating the feat with a death field, and you think that despite it stating to have vastly increased his capacity as a Force user, that Ziost wouldn't massively increase his power? Top logic.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
* over the course of centuries
Raptus says prior to the next sun rise actually.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
mmm Dramath can damage Valkorion with a suicide attack but Galen Marek can't damage Palpatine with one?
A spiritual attack is not the same as a physical Force exchange. But I'm glad you had no real reply here.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Where is it confirmed by an OOU source that Valkorion > Vitiate > Nihilus?
The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen.
- The Emperor's Fallen Jedi, Star Wars: The Old Republic
The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed.
- Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Vague and unquantifiable.
It would've been more appropriate to just save face and not reply at all.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Under nebulous circumstances with prep on his turf.
Both attempts were before he spent three centuries growing ever more powerful by draining energy from Revan, his captives in the Dark Temple, and his personal growth in power. Not to mention Ziost.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
True; Valkorion should be way more powerful than he demonstrably is.
What a non-reply.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Lol do you really want to set the precedent that "supreme power" can be taken literally? Just say yes if you really do, and I'm sure you know what's going to follow.
Case-to-case basis based on context has to be undertaken with Star Wars accolades regardless of the claim.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Only because you still incoherently claim that FP Murr - spirit Murr >>> FP Krayt - Vong Krayt based on this weird non-argument about Jaden Korr beating spirit Ragnos and how this works if you circularly assume stuff about Jaden and Ragnos.
ROFL. Muur's host Celeste Morne was inferior and only Vader, his children or Krayt were strong enough to release his will from the Muur Talisman and allow him a physical form. Spirits are factually limited. To claim Muur in his prime > Muur in his spirit is common fvcking sense Ell.
Nowhere have I stated Muur > FP Krayt, nevermind >>> FP Krayt
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Then you should vote for Vader kek, because your plan to demand a recount doesn't get helped if Vader gets placed lower and it appears that he has less support.
Not the way it works, kek.