Originally posted by h1a8Prove it. This speed thing is getting old and useless as hell. If that were the case, then flash, Gladiator, superman, Hyperion, Surfer, supreme, supergirl, wonder woman and many more should NEVER be put up against the likes of, hulk, juggernaut, kurse, atlas, Odin, Zeus, surtur, Galactus, the avengers, the x-men, the imperial guard ( minus gladiator) doom, ultron, the destroyer, mangog, Seth, the collector, champion, the stranger, rulk or..... The list goes on an on.... 99 % of the ones named would rape those so-called speedsters.
Superman alone can beat Thanos. Superman would perceive him as a near statue.
Originally posted by JBL
Prove it. This speed thing is getting old and useless as hell. If that were the case, then flash, Gladiator, superman, Hyperion, Surfer, supreme, supergirl, wonder woman and many more should NEVER be put up against the likes of, hulk, juggernaut, kurse, atlas, Odin, Zeus, surtur, Galactus, the avengers, the x-men, the imperial guard ( minus gladiator) doom, ultron, the destroyer, mangog, Seth, the collector, champion, the stranger, rulk or..... The list goes on an on.... 99 % of the ones named would rape those so-called speedsters.
Originally posted by JBL
Prove it. This speed thing is getting old and useless as hell. If that were the case, then flash, Gladiator, superman, Hyperion, Surfer, supreme, supergirl, wonder woman and many more should NEVER be put up against the likes of, hulk, juggernaut, kurse, atlas, Odin, Zeus, surtur, Galactus, the avengers, the x-men, the imperial guard ( minus gladiator) doom, ultron, the destroyer, mangog, Seth, the collector, champion, the stranger, rulk or..... The list goes on an on.... 99 % of the ones named would rape those so-called speedsters.
It's PIS.
And before insults are hurled, I just want to explore this debate calmly.
If one side is faster than the other.....why wouldn't they perceive the other pretty much standing still?
Imagine you're playing a game like Street Fighter...but your opponent has extreme lag. You could pull combos off, dodge, jump, punch, whatever.... before they had even loaded the game up.
And that's in 2D.
Now you might argue 'but we're not in control of these characters!', and you'd be right.
So imagine a complete noob. Someone who has no idea how to pull exotic 35 hit combos off. With their speed advantage, they'd still be able to punch and kick and do basic fighting,no? And crucially, be a lesson to block your attacks and jump. And they'd still win.
It's why games are balanced, so you don't have a super fast character who also deals a ton of damage and also has easy combos. Otherwise that character autowins.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85It's not PIS when a certain character has been hit for 60+ years in thousands of comics. It's more EFS... Excuse for Superman.
It's PIS.And before insults are hurled, I just want to explore this debate calmly.
If one side is faster than the other.....why wouldn't they perceive the other pretty much standing still?
Imagine you're playing a game like Street Fighter...but your opponent has extreme lag. You could pull combos off, dodge, jump, punch, whatever.... before they had even loaded the game up.
And that's in 2D.
Now you might argue 'but we're not in control of these characters!', and you'd be right.
So imagine a complete noob. Someone who has no idea how to pull exotic 35 hit combos off. With their speed advantage, they'd still be able to punch and kick and do basic fighting,no? And crucially, be a lesson to block your attacks and jump. And they'd still win.
It's why games are balanced, so you don't have a super fast character who also deals a ton of damage and also has easy combos. Otherwise that character autowins.
Originally posted by JBL
Prove it. This speed thing is getting old and useless as hell. If that were the case, then flash, Gladiator, superman, Hyperion, Surfer, supreme, supergirl, wonder woman and many more should NEVER be put up against the likes of, hulk, juggernaut, kurse, atlas, Odin, Zeus, surtur, Galactus, the avengers, the x-men, the imperial guard ( minus gladiator) doom, ultron, the destroyer, mangog, Seth, the collector, champion, the stranger, rulk or..... The list goes on an on.... 99 % of the ones named would rape those so-called speedsters.
Quoted for truth.
Originally posted by JBL
It's not PIS when a certain character has been hit for 60+ years in thousands of comics. It's more EFS... Excuse for Superman.
But that's comics.
It's not for battle board reasons. He's hit because the story is better when you have failure, rather than a character that does everything super well,super fast.
Only later, when we fans create these battle board conditions, does it not compute.
It's why the Endless, or the Saint of Killers,or Bugs Bunny all fail as battleboard characters. We invent concepts like ToonForce, or whatever.
That's why She Hulk doesn't break the 4th wall in vs threads. I mean, sure, we COULD argue she does - and I have in the past. But that just makes her unbeatable. So it's ignored.
Same with speed and intelligence.
Essentially, for the characters you mentioned to have fun on these threads, we have to ignore their powers. When it isn't even a power one can ignore.
Strength? Sure, you can hold it back. Intelligence? Not so much. You either have it or you don't. Same with speed.