Lol. Plus, the only 'on panel evidence' seems to be a guy paraphrasing, or some such.
THAT'S the best that he could do? Did he just do Ctrl+f and search for universe, then post it in excited Glee hoping nobody reads it?
The guy clearly is paraphrasing, and being vague. Reading comprehension - stay in school, kids.
Originally posted by MrMind
dude really, there are literally on panel evidence sayin multiverse
all you're really doing is closing your eyes, covering your ears and yelling an idea that you just made up. You aren't convincing anybody that you're right, especially when your opponents are providing evidence that you're wrong.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/11130/111302852/5473848-14+%282%29.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/vjbNSjjf_-uW2fGliNnYpVfgoASsjTTLgXlQnbkZiaNGR3rL4-B7lUNB72zLUikLlTbNqOLbUm6q=s1600
It is said FIVE TIMES that's a single UNIVERSE in the scan that I've posted.
The writer of Lucifer, Mike Carey, already said that for him, he intended Multiverse as the structure of ONE SINGLE FRAGGIN UNIVERSE.
I don't give a damn at what you guys wants to believe:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Plus, the only 'on panel evidence' seems to be a guy paraphrasing, or some such.THAT'S the best that he could do? Did he just do Ctrl+f and search for universe, then post it in excited Glee hoping nobody reads it?
The guy clearly is paraphrasing, and being vague. Reading comprehension - stay in school, kids.
Yeah.
Stay in school, kid.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Show me Sentry creating or manipulating just one whole real universe pls. He is out of his league.
He destroyed Molecule Man. The feat needs limitless power which is beyond Lucifer's power.
Tony Stark stated that Sentry can create a new House of M on a whim which the Universal feat you asked for.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Writer interviews apparently don't count when it comes to characters he doesn't like,or if it doesn't fit his narrative.Double standards indeed.
Especially as it's specifically against forum rules.
Show where I said that some other writers interviews doesn't count please.
The post I supposedly made and the link to the thread.
Yes you have double standards. It's great to recognize it.
It's not against forum rules when it clarifies something done by the author of the book itself. Pr already told us that in a thread.
The only reason why I have to post writers interviews is because your reading comprehension skills are too poor to understand what's on panel. It's on you.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Writer interviews apparently don't count when it comes to characters he doesn't like,or if it doesn't fit his narrative.Double standards indeed.
Especially as it's specifically against forum rules.
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Yeah, using another chars feats to prove the other can do it is also against the rules, Sentry never did anything like creating or manipulating a whole universe or multiverse hence he can't do it.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
👆Yeah, using another chars feats to prove the other can do it is also against the rules, Sentry never did anything like creating or manipulating a whole universe or multiverse hence he can't do it.
Your reasoning is stupid.
Beating Molecule Man is beyond Lucifer grasp.
I guess that the Above All Others cannot create or destroy an universe because you never saw him doing it on panel too, right ?
Iron Man is a legit authority in the Marvel Universe.
Your opinion, on the other hand, is useless.
Originally posted by Byond
The Molecule Man that got beat by Sentry wasn't as powerful as he is now, at the 2nd most powerful character in Marvel. So no, Sentry does not beat Lucifer, not by a long shot.Lucifer takes it in a stomp. Not even close. Why do people always make spite threads.
TRY AGAIN.
"I've said that if anyone was capable to prove that Molecule Man was weakened in that instance by posting Molecule Man saying that he was unable to do something with his powers, which is the proof of Molecule Man having beliefs that he cannot do something with his abilities, I will acknowledge.So far the miracle never happened because that scan doesn't exist."
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Plus, the only 'on panel evidence' seems to be a guy paraphrasing, or some such.
Elaine God referred to it as a universe in the final page in the second to final issue of the Lucifer series :
Prior to this, Elaine and Mazikeen were approached by Yahweh and he told them to decide the fate of creation which was referred to as a universe.
Keep in mind, Elaine is aware of at least 2 creations and still referred to it as a universe.
There were more instances and I posted the scans but I'm too lazy now to dig them up.
The writer's comment is valid because it explains what he meant.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
It is said FIVE TIMES that's a single UNIVERSE in the scan that I've posted.The writer of Lucifer, Mike Carey, already said that for him, he intended Multiverse as the structure of ONE SINGLE FRAGGIN UNIVERSE.
I don't give a damn at what you guys wants to believe:
Against the rules.
Originally posted by zopzop
No DS, it really was mentioned as a universe easily as many times as it was said to be a multiverse.Elaine God referred to it as a universe in the final page in the second to final issue of the Lucifer series :
Prior to this, Elaine and Mazikeen were approached by Yahweh and he told them to decide the fate of creation which was referred to as a universe.
Keep in mind, Elaine is aware of at least 2 creations and still referred to it as a universe.There were more instances and I posted the scans but I'm too lazy now to dig them up.
The writer's comment is valid because it explains what he meant.
terminology is ALWAYS a problem in every company. the terms multiverse, universe, creation, omniverse, all of them are used interchangeably based on writer preference. what is undeniable is on-panel depictions and in sandman (the universe lucifer is part of) an entire ARC is dedicated to alternate universes and the roles the endless (morpheus in particular) play in them. the endless exist across time and realities in various forms as was shown in the most recent sandman series.
sorry bro. the vertigo verse is a multiverse and if you've read the material, meaningless terminology aside, you'd know it isn't even a debatable issue. smfh at the pure nonsense in this thread.
Originally posted by leonidas
terminology is ALWAYS a problem in every company. the terms multiverse, universe, creation, omniverse, all of them are used interchangeably based on writer preference. what is undeniable is on-panel depictions and in sandman (the universe lucifer is part of) an entire ARC is dedicated to alternate universes and the roles the endless (morpheus in particular) play in them. the endless exist across time and realities in various forms as was shown in the most recent sandman series.sorry bro. the vertigo verse is a multiverse and if you've read the material, meaningless terminology aside, you'd know it isn't even a debatable issue. smfh at the pure nonsense in this thread.
Mike Carey is, according to the Marvel definition, explaining that Lucifer created ONE SINGLE REALITY
OMNIVERSE: A GLOSSARY OF TERMS
The Cosmos refers to the universe as an ordered and integrated whole.
A Dimension in this sense refers to a realm containing space, time, matter, and energy. A dimension may be a universe (a virtually infinite amount of space) or a "pocket dimension" (a clearly finite and often relatively small realm). In addition, dimensions are further divided into "essentially Earth-like" realms, with similar makeup, physical properties, and laws of physics; alien dimensions, with differing physical properties and laws than Earth dimensions; and magic realms, alien dimensions governed primarily by magic.
A Realm is a location or an area of interest. It is often used interchangeably with "dimension," though it can also refer to physical locations within a dimension, such as a planet, nation, city-state, etc.
A Reality is the collection of an Earth-like universe and all other realms associated with that universe. For example, in general, there is one Negative Zone, one Asgard, and one Dark Dimension associated with each Earth universe. The collection of all associated realms is a Reality. Further changes to the history of a realm will alter its reality. In most cases, this actually involves overlapping or merging one reality with another. See below for further discussion on altered realities.
A Universe is a single dimension, such as Earth-616 (or, more appropriately, Universe-616), the mainstream Marvel Universe. See below for further discussion in Earth-616 and numbering realities. Uni - "one"
The Multiverse is the collection of alternate dimensions with a similar nature and universal hierarchy. Earth-616, plus pretty much all of the What if? and Exiles worlds, as well as the vast bulk of the alternate Earths seen in the MU (which include a certain hierarchy of comics beings like the Watcher, Eternity, Infinity, etc) are within the same Multiverse. The myriad realms of Earth-616's Multiverse are overseen by the immensely powerful Living Tribunal. Those realms that lack this hierarchy of power are outside of the Multiverse, but within the larger Omniverse. Further, the realms with a multiverse are divided into divergent earths, who share a common history and diverge at a specific ("What If"😉 point, and alternate Earths, who are similar, but possess many inherent differences. Multi - "many"
