For the purposes of this thread, it doesn't even matter whether it was a universe or multiverse. The scope between these characters is so huge that it's a spite.
You might as well make a thread based on Superman Prime vs IG Thanos..... Based solely on the fact that Prime managed to defeat Mxy and imprison. Then go around and say Prime is multiversal threat....
Originally posted by leonidas
terminology is ALWAYS a problem in every company. the terms multiverse, universe, creation, omniverse, all of them are used interchangeably based on writer preference. what is undeniable is on-panel depictions and in sandman (the universe lucifer is part of) an entire ARC is dedicated to alternate universes and the roles the endless (morpheus in particular) play in them. the endless exist across time and realities in various forms as was shown in the most recent sandman series.sorry bro. the vertigo verse is a multiverse and if you've read the material, meaningless terminology aside, you'd know it isn't even a debatable issue. smfh at the pure nonsense in this thread.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
For the purposes of this thread, it doesn't even matter whether it was a universe or multiverse. The scope between these characters is so huge that it's a spite.You might as well make a thread based on Superman Prime vs IG Thanos..... Based solely on the fact that Prime managed to defeat Mxy and imprison. Then go around and say Prime is multiversal threat....
True.
Sentry stomped Molecule Man whom has limitless power and rocked the Multiverse twice.
Lucifer isn't even close to that so that's spite.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Couldnt Lucifer just talk Sentry down? He is really subsceptible to coercion and thats like Morningstars thing.
He could if Sentry is in the mood to talk with him.
IIRC, Morningstar is a master manipulator.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
True.He could if Sentry is in the mood to talk with him.
IIRC, Morningstar is a master manipulator.
But he's been talked down or rather manipulated before. Stark, Rogers, Osborne, Strange, Bullseye...the guy for all intents amd purposes is EASILY controlled or atleast led astray. I cant see how Lucifer would lose especially since fighting isnt his go to.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
But he's been talked down or rather manipulated before. Stark, Rogers, Osborne, Strange, Bullseye...the guy for all intents amd purposes is EASILY controlled or atleast led astray. I cant see how Lucifer would lose especially since fighting isnt his go to.
I think that you are overgeneralizing a bit. ^^
Stark ? He had to rely on hacking CLOC to confuse Sentry with a massive overload of information and recognized later that it was a mistake because could have created a psionic outburst leading to a new House of M.
Rogers ? When ?
Osborne ? They were allies.
Strange ? Strange tricked Sentry but they were allies and still Sentry broke through his techno-magical realm amped by Dark Magic.
Bullseye ? When ?
He isn't easily controllable.
His allies considered him as a time bomb.
Originally posted by zopzop
Bro, the WRITER OF THE SERIES agrees with with Team Universe not Team Multiverse. Both terms were mentioned on panel, the writer confirms what he meant. There's nothing to debate.
And i like how you and the other guy just closed over what the author said just because it doesn't ft you're narrative.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
For the purposes of this thread, it doesn't even matter whether it was a universe or multiverse. The scope between these characters is so huge that it's a spite.You might as well make a thread based on Superman Prime vs IG Thanos..... Based solely on the fact that Prime managed to defeat Mxy and imprison. Then go around and say Prime is multiversal threat....
It was stated a multiverse in the latest Lucy series. But, yeah, Lucy wins.
Originally posted by Zack M
It was stated a multiverse in the latest Lucy series. But, yeah, Lucy wins.
The issue is, trolls love to derail the thread. TW managed to do it but picking a words and make a useless argument about it
Universal or not, it's a stop stomp for Lucifer. He is sticking to the silly logic that
Sentry>MM>Multiverse
The same way someone can say Prime>Zantana>Mxy>multiverse
Originally posted by zopzop
Bro, the WRITER OF THE SERIES agrees with with Team Universe not Team Multiverse. Both terms were mentioned on panel, the writer confirms what he meant. There's nothing to debate.
even IF you were right, the writer of lucifer does NOT dictate the nature of the vertigoverse (be like saying bendis declared the marvel u a universe not a multiverse, therefore we ignore everything every other writer did because of it...) forgetting for the moment writer's comments are irrelevant in the forum, it has been expressly, and repeatedly, that that statement is completely wrong. we could go scan for scan, but a guarantee you can't SHOW me it's a universe, while i can, repeatedly, show you the vertigoverse IS a multiverse. unless you wanna argue lucifer isn't part of the vertigoverse....? might as well. you'd have about as much luck supporting THAT idea, as the one you're suggesting.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I think that you are overgeneralizing a bit. ^^Stark ? He had to rely on hacking CLOC to confuse Sentry with a massive overload of information and recognized later that it was a mistake because could have created a psionic outburst leading to a new House of M.
Rogers ? When ?
Osborne ? They were allies.
Strange ? Strange tricked Sentry but they were allies and still Sentry broke through his techno-magical realm amped by Dark Magic.
Bullseye ? When ?
He isn't easily controllable.
His allies considered him as a time bomb.
He's always been manipulated. Stark in WWH, Bullseye in killing Linda, a whole arc depicted Osborne keeping him on a leash, Stange convinced him AGAIN to attack Asgard for dubious reasons, the void excuse is kinda moot now since Strange had Void tucked away. For a guy so powerful he always falls under the thumb of less powerful people. He even teamed up with a group of supervillians and didnt think once to use his telepathy. Im not saying he isnt powerful. Ijs hes not good against manipulators
Originally posted by Sin I AM
[B]He's always been manipulated. Stark in WWH,
Manipulated ?
Strange convinced him to help despite he was VASTLY depowered by his agoraphobia.
Bullseye in killing Linda,
*ahem*
Bullseye DID kill Linda.
a whole arc depicted Osborne keeping him on a leash
Not really a leash.
Osborn procured him a version of the serum and convinced him that he could help.
Stange convinced him AGAIN to attack Asgard for dubious reasons,
"Dubious reasons".
The spell called "the Exile of Shingsoon" was a threat to the Multiverse. Nothing less than that.
the void excuse is kinda moot now since Strange had Void tucked away.
With Bob consent...
For a guy so powerful he always falls under the thumb of less powerful people.
You are stretching things a bit...
He even teamed up with a group of supervillians and didnt think once to use his telepathy. Im not saying he isnt powerful. Ijs hes not good against manipulators
Yep but his opponents don't have much time to talk either.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
yeah i get thatThe issue is, trolls love to derail the thread. TW managed to do it but picking a words and make a useless argument about it
Universal or not, it's a stop stomp for Lucifer. He is sticking to the silly logic that
Sentry>MM>Multiverse
The same way someone can say Prime>Zantana>Mxy>multiverse
True dat.