Starkiller vs. Darth Nihilus (TK battle)

Started by AncientPower8 pages

Show me the actual source depicting this.

YouTube video

He gets into the room the cannon is in at 7.25. It gets taken out at 8.13 and he does the feat at 9.07.

The cannon itself is an experimental prototype. The feat is pretty clearly unquantifiable.

alternative explanation. He doesn't actually fuel the weapon. He simply uses his lighting to start up the device so it's own fuel can power the weapon.

It's like how the start motor of a car simply gets the engine turning instead of actually fuelling the cars acceleration.

Nah, seems like he actively charged it with his own power, hence why the attack seemed like a ball of lightning.

that is also true.

Actually no. The other capital ship oposite fired the exact same lighting ball style laser to disable the weapon in the first place.

skip to at 8:14 of the video neph posted.

As for the feat it looks like Galen is just starting up the weapon with his powers as oppose to charging it, which is why the cylandars are sustaining themselves after he finished using the lightning.

Well, there goes that.

Also if it was indeed his lightning that charged up a blast that could one shot a star destroyer it would have destroyed the cylinders and, probably the entire area Galen was standing in as soon as he unleashed it.

And that.

Can I point out that the weapon that knocked out the cannon in the first place was ion based? Because I feel like that says a lot.

Nah, the cylinders, which are generally down when the gun is active, stay up, and Galen has to transfer energy energy into them, which light up all the cylinders around it. he then blasts the front of it which pushes it. to fire, seems like he did it manually.

If it were automatic, I don't think he would of physically had to push the trigger.

I plan on addressing the feat in Super Fight II.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
Nah, the cylinders, which are generally down when the gun is active, stay up, and Galen has to transfer energy energy into them, which light up all the cylinders around it. he then blasts the front of it which pushes it. to fire, seems like he did it manually.

If it were automatic, I don't think he would of physically had to push the trigger.

The point is that people are claiming that Galen's three second lighting blast = the resulting blast that destroyed the enemy ship. If that were the case, the bolts would have annihilated the enitre room as soon they left his finger tips. An alternative (more appropriate) explanation is that Galen is providing the turbines enough power to spin allowing them to tap into to the weapons own power source before it fires. A bit like jump-starting a car with an allready full tank of petrol. Playing which light was on when is a semantic game and Galen "manually pushing the trigger" just means that the connection between the cannon and whatever remote device was used to controll the weapon would have been disabled after it got hit. And as we discovered before, the blue lightning-like orb emitted from the cannons barrel is standard for the device.

Lmao, why it even matters? Nihilus shits on anything Marek did.

Originally posted by Haschwalth
Then we are in agreement because I've been stating it's probably the steel equilvent. Strong, and can manufacture a lot of it at a good price.

Except we know it's likely far stronger then steel... The upper limit for the durability of SW material is far higher then the upper limit for real world materials.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I actually did find what you're talking about and not only does that not change my point, but by the looks of it Starkillers shot is significantly different in that he forces the cannon to shoot everything in one shot whereas before it was shooting without overtly draining the energy tanks.

The physical forces and stresses was what I was referring to. It would be much easier to destroy a ship that's already shredding under the pressure.

Also I find it pretty egregious that you're mixing and matching scenes between two contradicting sources. Starkiller doesn't charge the cannon in the book. And he doesn't destroy the ship in the game. He can't have done both.

The cannon is stated to be offline forcing Galen to charge it with his own energy. Not affect how much energy the gun is using from its own stores. I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

I'm not disagreeing there. Simply noting that the ship tearing apart would not be indicative of the shield's going offline. Especially given a corona had formed around the Salvation during its descent similar to the one that formed around the Invisible Hand in RotS.

Hey, it's all of you who've always nagged me to accept all C canon sources as equally valid. Now that I'm doing that, it's apparently not kosher.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Lmao, why it even matters? Nihilus shits on anything Marek did.

Except he doesn't... And thas's the point. Your lofty proclamations of your own opinion won't change that.

Originally posted by Conty
Also if it was indeed his lightning that charged up a blast that could one shot a star destroyer it would have destroyed the cylinders and, probably the entire area Galen was standing in as soon as he unleashed it.

?? Why would a cannon designed to take out capital ships necessarily get overloaded by the energy needed to take out capital ships?

Anyway, I think a lot of the counters made to this feat have been rather convoluted mental gymnastics that don't match the physics of it really well, but I'm still debating whether I should save further conversation for my debate with Ant.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
?? Why would a cannon designed to take out capital ships necessarily get overloaded by the energy needed to take out capital ships?

Pretty contradictory stance by the detractors tbh. If it can contain the power necessary to carry out the feat they're attributing to it then it definitely has the ability to absorb/store that kind of energy in the first place.

lmfaowhat

Anyway I'm pretty sure I can beat Ant on an engineering/technical discussion so I'll save my full response for that, though I may chip in a bit here and there.