Originally posted by Haschwalth
whoops misread your comment elliminist, that would just prove my point though.
How so? We have no idea what portion of their full power the protag fuels except that it is just enough to get off one shot and then get overwhelmed. I certainly don't see how you can try to scale from "planet wrecking" or "killing trillions".
Originally posted by Haschwalth
You think, the republic/imp ships didn't update their weapons, as the Eternal fleet commander you spend a fair bit of time getting info, on Iokath weaponry, the republic reasonably would of updated their weapons to compete with them.
Which would then scale massively upwards to the Clone Wars era, and even moreso to TFU.
Originally posted by Haschwalth
And yeah, I was wrong with the essence thing. But it doesn't matter as it comes from No names, who's essence shouldn't have a shred of a chance against the raw power of the high tier force users.
That would make you wonder how Dramath was able to harm Valkorion.
In either case, we're still comparing the essence of several Force users being constantly drained to Starkiller powering the cannon with some Force lightning and still being able to continue fighting afterwards.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
How so? We have no idea what portion of their full power the protag fuels except that it is just enough to get off one shot and then get overwhelmed. I certainly don't see how you can try to scale from "planet wrecking" or "killing trillions".Which would then scale massively upwards to the Clone Wars era, and even moreso to TFU.
We know it's a decent amount as he is literally the most powerful force user in the galaxy at the time, and as I said him being used as fuel for more than one. Anyway I'm not arguing he completely fuels them, i'm saying he easily gives enough to completely surpass Mareks feat.
Nah, they lost a lot of technology before the PT series, HK-47 was regarded as extremely advanced compared to the other droids during the clones wars.(casually took out droidkas, super battle droids etc. You cannot assume they built their technology on from their, otherwise we would see teleporters etc.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
That would make you wonder how Dramath was able to harm Valkorion.In either case, we're still comparing the essence of several Force users being constantly drained to Starkiller powering the cannon with some Force lightning and still being able to continue fighting afterwards.
He didn't really, a Crack. And dramath wasn't a push over. and weaker force users simply have a far Bigger limit to their strength, then the likes of Galen
Originally posted by Haschwalth
We know it's a decent amount as he is literally the most powerful force user in the galaxy at the time, and as I said him being used as fuel for more than one. Anyway I'm not arguing he completely fuels them, i'm saying he easily gives enough to completely surpass Mareks feat.
Not really. It's unquantifiable and there are no grounds to say that the energy fed from the protag > the energy expended by Galen Marek, except by circularly arguing for the Outlander's power.
Nah, they lost a lot of technology before the PT series, HK-47 was regarded as extremely advanced compared to the other droids during the clones wars.(casually took out droidkas, super battle droids etc. You cannot assume they built their technology on from their, otherwise we would see teleporters etc.
HK-47 is regarded as advanced by the TOR-era too, but it isn't really on the level of, say, General Grievous so I'm not sure if it's an apt comparison.
But while it's possible that some specific technologies were lost, on aggregate it's clear that fleet tech has upgraded substantially - capital ships are far larger, hyperdrive ratings are better, Base Delta Zeroes and other displays of firepower not seen in the TOR-era appear as standard battle tactics, etc. The Empire itself has been described as fielding the most formidable military force in galactic history, which isn't that unexpected given that tech regression makes far less sense than progress given the conditions.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Not really. It's unquantifiable and there are no grounds to say that the energy fed from the protag > the energy expended by Galen Marek, except by circularly arguing for the Outlander's power.HK-47 is regarded as advanced by the TOR-era too, but it isn't really on the level of, say, General Grievous so I'm not sure if it's an apt comparison.
But while it's possible that some specific technologies were lost, on aggregate it's clear that fleet tech has upgraded substantially - capital ships are far larger, hyperdrive ratings are better, Base Delta Zeroes and other displays of firepower not seen in the TOR-era appear as standard battle tactics, etc. The Empire itself has been described as fielding the most formidable military force in galactic history, which isn't that unexpected given that tech regression makes far less sense than progress given the conditions.
The statement of him feeding 6 in stead of one is reasonable enough context. To assume the Outlanders power is within this tier of power, as far lesser force users, have powered reasonable dozens of shots of country razing attacks, during Rakatan battles. Think of it this way, would you comment on a 100mls of petrolium, being fuel for 6 cars, no you wouldn't even think about it. the mere fact he mentioned him being suitable fuel. is an indication of him being at least a few litres per car. as an example, which is easily within Mareks tier.
I'm not denying that the galactic empire has superior technology, i'm arguing it's not as a big of a gap that you make it to believe. did you forget what Malak did to taris. Also angral had a super weapon that could turn planet surfaces barren.
they had stuff like quantum bombs http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Quantum_bomb
Special technologies were lost, yes. Standard technologies continued to improve. Though I do suppose it isn't too big, the Starships that the Leviathan was had firepower equal to a Victory Star destroyer but also had the benefit of interdictor drives, snatching star ships from hyperspace when the Empire only had a few Interdictors.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Special technologies were lost, yes. Standard technologies continued to improve. Though I do suppose it isn't too big, the Starships that the Leviathan was had firepower equal to a Victory Star destroyer but also had the benefit of interdictor drives, snatching star ships from hyperspace when the Empire only had a few Interdictors.
What source has the Leviathan = to Victory? Because from what I've read, there is no source backing that and that the Interdictors were inferior compared to later ones.