ds sentry vs rune king thor

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Every characters have a soul.

Read the first mini-series again and you will see that Void is supposed to literally touch the souls of his enemies and feed on them IIRC (I'm not 100% accurate about it but the idea is there).

We see Sentry creating a Golden sphere with his essence inside it (a part of his golden "aura", his soul) that he gives to the Hulk to protect him against the Void.

It is also implied that, when Sentry touch the Hulk with a ray coming from his aura (which is extremely similar to the Void touching other characters with his tendrils), Sentry literally "clean" the soul of the Hulk, making him feel better, calmer.

It's normal because powers based on Molecule Manipulation/Reality Warping actually allows their wielders to directly manipulate the essence/life force/soul.
(Look at Owen Reece second fight against the Beyonder).

That's my 2 cents about it. Voilaaaaa.

If he has a soul. RK Thor will be able to pull it out. I'm still not certain that they actually have souls, as they are solid projections of Bob's mind. Perhaps what we saw in the scenes that you are mentioning were just energy and not the power of his soul. Do Larfleeze's constructs have souls? I mean you could be right, and like it was mentioned, if he does, then he'd lose. It doesn't make any sense to me though, because if Thor pulled his soul out, he would never come back from it. I believe that he would, because it's Bob that brings him or the Void back. We all thought that the Void was dead after he was thrown into the sun. Nope. because he wasn't truly alive to begin with.

Originally posted by Stoic
If he has a soul. RK Thor will be able to pull it out. I'm still not certain that they actually have souls, as they are solid projections of Bob's mind. Perhaps what we saw in the scenes that you are mentioning were just energy and not the power of his soul. Do Larfleeze's constructs have souls? I mean you could be right, and like it was mentioned, if he does, then he'd lose. It doesn't make any sense to me though, because if Thor pulled his soul out, he would never come back from it. I believe that he would, because it's Bob that brings him or the Void back. We all thought that the Void was dead after he was thrown into the sun. Nope. because he wasn't truly alive to begin with.

Either ways, the only moment Thor pulled out a soul was with Mjolnir's power.

I don't see how he can do better than Molecule Man whom manipulated casually Beyonder's soul twice.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Where do you get he is vastly physically Superior to the 4th host? Because he, with the help of every hero on Earth stopped a dying exitars decent?

Rogue was totally useless.

I think that the point was to show that the combined power of all heroes on Earth was nothing compared to Exitar and that Sentry is in his cosmic class physically.

Sentry was the one whom stopped his descent, Rogue was just a poster girl.

And Exitar is far more powerful than the 4th host.

Originally posted by Stoic
Correction. It says that it is the soul that drives him, or would it be more correct to say that it drives it?

The Void, and all versions of the Sentry are product of Bob's mind. Could it be that it is Bob's soul that drives them? Why couldn't it be? I mean if they are solidified projections of his mind?

You will always notice that when Bob was mentally unstable, the Sentry was weaker, but when Bob was feeling great the Sentry could ignore Terrax's attack as if he were being hit by the warm water of a shower. That's just one example. I'm pretty sure that One Angry Scot can produce massive amounts of proof on this.

Which brings us back to a soul that the Sentry may not actually have, and that he may be referring to Bob being the soul that drives him.

What do you mean "correction"? 😂

You asked for some on panel evidence of a soul right? He's talking about a soul. Until he says "my soul is Bob...who doesn't have a soul..." , I shouldn't need to explain why your post is ridiculously far fetched no?

the burden of proof would be on you to show he is an EXCEPTION to the rule stoic. sounds like i'm asking you to prove a negative by saying prove he does NOT have a soul, but the default assumption is is DOES, so why would anyone question it? what would make him special? he was born human, so why wouldn't be have a soul like, essentially, every other living character in marvel? if you say he doesn't have one, you'd need to show that. otherwise it is nothing more than unsupported speculation and that is something this character absolutely does NOT need. his supporters are already doing more than enough harm to him.

Originally posted by leonidas
the burden of proof would be on you to show he is an EXCEPTION to the rule stoic. sounds like i'm asking you to prove a negative by saying prove he does NOT have a soul, but the default assumption is is DOES, so why would anyone question it? what would make him special? he was born human, so why wouldn't be have a soul like, essentially, every other living character in marvel? if you say he doesn't have one, you'd need to show that. otherwise it is nothing more than unsupported speculation and that is something this character absolutely does NOT need. his supporters are already doing more than enough harm to him.

Why would he prove anything about a soul when Thor doesn't have the power to manipulate it ?

Pointless debate.

On the other hand:

How does Thor counter Sentry's Molecule Manipulation ?

How does he deal against Sentry's Physical Power ?

How does he deal with Sentry's Telepathy ?

Answer that, already.

Originally posted by Damborgson
What do you mean "correction"? 😂

You asked for some on panel evidence of a soul right? He's talking about a soul. Until he says "my soul is Bob...who doesn't have a soul..." , I shouldn't need to explain why your post is ridiculously far fetched no?

But he did not say his soul. He said that it was the soul that drives him. I could say that it is a sexual body part of a woman that drives me, but that does not mean that I possess or own that body part. The Sentry, and the Void are products of Bob's mind. it seems as if it's already proven. This is to both you and Leo.

that is some....hardcore reaching my friend....no way i'll be buying that.

Stoic, listen to yourself. You cannot see how far of a reach that is?

That example would work if Sentey didn't go to the trouble to prove that damaging his body is not an issue.

He tore off his own head to show that it was a vessel, his power is from his soul. So I'm supposed believe he was talking about, some other soul? He was clearly referencing that the body being attacked was not an issue.

Furthermore, being an idea of Bob, doesn't take away from him having a soul. Even if the soul is "Bob" , its in there. Or where would it go?

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Why would he prove anything about a soul when Thor doesn't have the power to manipulate it ?

Pointless debate.

On the other hand:

How does Thor counter Sentry's Molecule Manipulation ?

How does he deal against Sentry's Physical Power ?

How does he deal with Sentry's Telepathy ?

Answer that, already.

Well in the case that Thor did have the capability to do so, which I am willing to believe. I'd also like to point out that I'm not heavily invested in either character, I am just reiterating what I read on panel concerning these jokers.

I have yet to be convinced, that the Sentry, or the Void that are solid products of Bob's mind actually have souls. If he did, and he died, how then did he come back? How because Bob brought them back by believing that they were there. This does not mean that they have souls. Once again, the Sentry another concept of Bob's mind tossed the Void into the sun, and believed that he died. The reason that he didn't die was because he wasn't truly alive to begin with. Larfleeze's constructs are very similar to the Sentry, and the Void. But I wouldn't say that they had souls.

Either way I will have my belief, and others will have there's. Mine makes more sense to me on a purely theological level, whereas the contrary goes against everything that I've read concerning the subject. Having a soul, means that you can die. Sentry can not die. Do I need to prove that as well?

this discussion....

Originally posted by Damborgson
Stoic, listen to yourself. You cannot see how far of a reach that is?

That example would work if Sentey didn't go to the trouble to prove that damaging his body is not an issue.

He tore off his own head to show that it was a vessel, his power is from his soul. So I'm supposed believe he was talking about, some other soul? He was clearly referencing that the body being attacked was not an issue.

Furthermore, being an idea of Bob, doesn't take away from him having a soul. Even if the soul is "Bob" , its in there. Or where would it go?

Sentry is a product of Bob's mind. Am I correct? It has been stated in the very books that he is in correct? If he is a product of Bob's mind, and whenever he is destroyed he comes back, how can he have a flipping soul? Think about it, before making this seem far fetched. Your idea actually makes no sense to me. The Void, and The Sentry are constructs of Bob's mind. Whenever Bob is feeling low emotionally the Void or the negative side of him grew more powerful, and when he was feeling great, the Sentry shined and was stronger than ever. But it all came from Bob.

Originally posted by leonidas
this discussion....

Yeah its a phucked up discussion because many people aren't able to grasp exactly what the Sentry is or the Void at that matter, never mind their relationship to Bob, who is the actual focal point or driving force behind both concepts.

Originally posted by Stoic
Sentry is a product of Bob's mind. Am I correct? It has been stated in the very books that he is in correct? If he is a product of Bob's mind, and whenever he is destroyed he comes back, how can he have a flipping soul? Think about it, before making this seem far fetched. Your idea actually makes no sense to me. The Void, and The Sentry are constructs of Bob's mind. Whenever Bob is feeling low emotionally the Void or the negative side of him grew more powerful, and when he was feeling great, the Sentry shined and was stronger than ever. But it all came from Bob.

Being a product of Bob's mind doesn't mean he has no soul.

Like multiple personality disorder. If I create a second persona, called Darver9, who has her own personality and abilities (maybe Darver is an expert pianist, whatever) that doesn't mean Darver9 has no soul.

Then I create a third construct. Deonidas. This third construct comes out whenever I am feeling particularly Canadian.

When I am feeling particularly....😆 , Darver9 appears.

But the base DS85 soul is still there.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah its a phucked up discussion because many people aren't able to grasp exactly what the Sentry is or the Void at that matter, never mind their relationship to Bob, who is the actual focal point or driving force behind both concepts.

ok, so when sentry is fighting someone, where exactly is bob? are you saying they are completely separate--ie bob AND sentry could be in the same room together if they chose to be?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Being a product of Bob's mind doesn't mean he has no soul.

Like multiple personality disorder. If I create a second persona, called Darver9, who has her own personality and abilities (maybe Darver is an expert pianist, whatever) that doesn't mean Darver9 has no soul.

Then I create a third construct. Deonidas. This third construct comes out whenever I am feeling particularly Canadian.

When I am feeling particularly....😆 , Darver9 appears.

But the base DS85 soul is still there.

Not if Darver9 can die, and be reconstructed as if it never went through a thing. A soul means that you can die. The minute that Bob ceases to exist (if that's even possible) the Void and the Sentry will also cease to exist. They are nothing without him.

Originally posted by leonidas
ok, so when sentry is fighting someone, where exactly is bob? are you saying they are completely separate--ie bob AND sentry could be in the same room together if they chose to be?

Bob retreats or goes to a pocket dimension of his own design. We saw this when Emma spoke to him about his mental state when the Void was out of his control, and the Avengers were barely able to slow the construct down. I was going to write a bunch more but that is the answer to your question. Bob is the Sentry and the Void, but not physically. it's like us imagining that we were as powerful as Thor, and while day dreaming we slip away into some mythical world of our own making while our imagined self does the impossible things that we fantasize about doing.

The Sentry/Void/Bob mythology is actually extremely interesting because it challenges us to come to grips with what this concept is on an extremely psychological level. Which is another reason why the Banner/Hulk thing always interested me.

That is bl not a pocket dimension, its a room in his mind created by Emma. She used it again when the Dark Avengers attacked Utopia.

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I don't know what that was supposed to say 😂

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