The Leftist Fascists WAR on the Family and Children.
Something that has been going on for a Long Time. Why the Lefties hate the Kids so much?
The Leftist Fascists WAR on the Family and Children.
Something that has been going on for a Long Time. Why the Lefties hate the Kids so much?
Originally posted by Bentley
He cannot leave Ireland out of it because Flyattractor has always been... Your long lost twin brother.
Originally posted by Surtur
His font is green. Guess what else is green? 4 leaf clovers.
Abortion is legal. Taxpayer money is given to planned parenthood (the organization responsible for the most abortions) despite planned parenthood having enough of a profit to donate millions of dollars to democrat campaigns and despite planned parenthood being an organization found with the intent of using abortion as a form of eugenics to decrease the number of black people. There is an actual abortion procedure in practice called partial birth abortion where you drag the fetus partway through the birth canal, basically everything but their head, and then you stab them in the base of the skull and kill them.
Now on a state level, there are attempts with mixed success to enact state legislation that constrains access to abortion, however these usually receive a lot of backlash no matter what the measure is. Anything that makes abortion more difficult to get will get you screeched at and called a sexist who treats women as second class citizens and has this weird fixation with controlling their bodies (even though no man profits from women not getting an abortion so this is the stupidest claim ever), and you'll even get screeched at if you dare to suggest that planned parenthood shouldn't receive government funding.
It's pretty ****ed up all in all.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Abortion is legal. Taxpayer money is given to planned parenthood (the organization responsible for the most abortions) despite planned parenthood having enough of a profit to donate millions of dollars to democrat campaigns and despite planned parenthood being an organization found with the intent of using abortion as a form of eugenics to decrease the number of black people. There is an actual abortion procedure in practice called partial birth abortion where you drag the fetus partway through the birth canal, basically everything but their head, and then you stab them in the base of the skull and kill them.Now on a state level, there are attempts with mixed success to enact state legislation that constrains access to abortion, however these usually receive a lot of backlash no matter what the measure is. Anything that makes abortion more difficult to get will get you screeched at and called a sexist who treats women as second class citizens and has this weird fixation with controlling their bodies (even though no man profits from women not getting an abortion so this is the stupidest claim ever), and you'll even get screeched at if you dare to suggest that planned parenthood shouldn't receive government funding.
It's pretty ****ed up all in all.
Remember when poor American women and poor immigrants to America used to have back-alley abortions because they couldn't afford another mouth to feed? That happened quite often in the slums in the 1910s and 1920s. Dead fetuses in the puddles in back-alley puddles were sometimes seen in the working slums remember those times.
Remember during the bubonic plague where women would strangle their newborn infants to spare them the ravages of The Plague and because everyone was dying around them? Strangled new borns remember those times.
Just a tiny glance at history allows me to remember that we should have safe and very common access to abortions to prevent the deaths of more than one person. Take it away, shitty illegal abortions are done and instead of one human life being taken, two human lives end. That's not all: the poor need to not have more babies they cannot afford.
I strongly oppose abortion. Very strongly (even in cases of Rape: I prefer the baby be kept because the baby is innocent...but I am not heartless and I would never expect a woman to keep a "rape baby" because of my desire to spare the innocent life: it's between her and God and those two, only, on how she should proceed. TL - DR: it's not of my f*cking business).
But I strongly oppose restricting safe medical access to abortion procedures.
Free access to contraceptives and education on safe-sex prevents the greatest number of abortions. Let's focus our attention on that because that saves the most lives.
Originally posted by Stigma
Ok. Thanks for a very lucid explanation, DMB 👆
DMB went full retard there, sorry.
PP does receive tax dollars, but $0.00 (mark it zero) tax dollars go to abortion procedures. Abortions also make up around only 3% of the total services PP provides to people, mostly medical screenings, anti-pregnancy, counseling etc.
Partial birth abortion's do happen, but they're extremely rare and done only in extreme cases where the mother's life is at high risk and/or the fetus is not viable outside the womb.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Remember when poor American women and poor immigrants to America used to have back-alley abortions because they couldn't afford another mouth to feed? That happened quite often in the slums in the 1910s and 1920s. Dead fetuses in the puddles in back-alley puddles were sometimes seen in the working slums remember those times.Remember during the bubonic plague where women would strangle their newborn infants to spare them the ravages of The Plague and because everyone was dying around them? Strangled new borns remember those times.
Just a tiny glance at history allows me to remember that we should have safe and very common access to abortions to prevent the deaths of more than one person. Take it away, shitty illegal abortions are done and instead of one human life being taken, two human lives end.
While it's true that back alley abortions are more dangerous than medically safe abortions, I don't find it reasonable to assume that the number of abortions that occur would be remotely the same, because I think it's extremely obvious that people would be much more incentivized to pick a safe abortion over say adoption, raising the child, or sexual responsibility than they would be to seek an unsafe abortion that could potentially kill them over just say giving the baby up for adoption if they don't want to care for it.
Back alley abortions aren't remotely as appealing as safe abortions to people amidst an array of options, so even assuming every back alley abortion kills the child and the mother, I don't find it reasonable to assume there would be even half as many illegal abortions taking place as there currently are legal abortions.
I need to see the statistics that would prove more death under this system before I take up a stance where the government is morally permissive of the termination of human life.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not all: the poor need to not have more babies they cannot afford.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I strongly oppose abortion. Very strongly (even in cases of Rape: I prefer the baby be kept because the baby is innocent...but I am not heartless and I would never expect a woman to keep a "rape baby" because of my desire to spare the innocent life: it's between her and God and those two, only, on how she should proceed. TL - DR: it's not of my f*cking business).
Originally posted by dadudemon
But I strongly oppose restricting safe medical access to abortion procedures.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Free access to contraceptives and education on safe-sex prevents the greatest number of abortions. Let's focus our attention on that because that saves the most lives.
Originally posted by Robtard
PP does receive tax dollars, but $0.00 (mark it zero) tax dollars go to abortion procedures.
Plus regardless of whether or not PP can put more money towards abortions with their other services subsidized, that's still not an excuse to give them taxpayer money. Regardless of whether that taxpayer money has any impact on abortion I find it disgusting that the money of taxpayers meant to be in the public interest is subsidizing an organization that apparently has millions of dollars to spare to donate to political campaigns.
Originally posted by Robtard
Abortions also make up around only 3% of the total services PP provides to people, mostly medical screenings, anti-pregnancy, counseling etc.
Sorry, the vast majority of what PP does is to kept women healthy (cancer, stds etc) and to lower the amount of abortions by lowering the amounts of unwanted pregnancies. Which is the main cause of abortions, an unwanted baby. ie A woman who doesn't get pregnant in the first place, is a woman who doesn't need to ever consider an abortion.
As someone who is anti-abortions/rights, you really should actually be championing PP, they make it so girls and women don't even need to consider getting an abortion in the first place.
Originally posted by Robtard
Sorry, the vast majority of what PP does is to kept women healthy and to lower the amount of abortions by lowering the amounts of unwanted pregnancies.As someone who is anti-abortions/rights, you should actually be championing PP, they make it so girls and women don't even need to consider getting an abortion in the first place.
If anything, I'd like it if abortion and these other services could be divided into two completely separate organizations. But a lot of people don't want that because they know they can browbeat their political opponent over the head with "planned parenthood helps whamen in many ways" to impede their opposition to abortion. They know that if these other services weren't bundled into an abortion providing organization, that organization wouldn't have remotely the same shield for criticism that they currently leverage politically.
Also nice label there. Can we not have a reasonable conversation where I call you pro-choice instead of pro-death or anti-life and you call me pro-life instead of anti-rights? Can we leave the childish mudslinging out of here?
That's really your shortcoming, PP stops more abortions from ever happening, than the abortions they perform. Remove the cause, you remove the need.
Without PP there would be more unwanted pregnancies and therefore more abortions, which isn't a good thing, imo.
Sorry, imo, anti-abortion is being anti-rights to a person's body. But sure, we can do without.
Originally posted by Naugrim
You gotta look at it from his point of view though tbh.Does saving a shit ton of people excuse somebody shooting up a school? You might think so. But he obviously doesn't.
If you don't do that, then there's no way you can ever engage in debate on the topic.
That's a faulty analogy. PP stops more abortions from every happening in the first place.