Originally posted by Beniboybling
i know babyman it’s mad, did you also know that while it’s legal for you to smash your own computer (which you should promptly go through with after reading this) it would be illegal for me to smash it for you?madness 🙁
Oh I see, babies are now like property you can purchase?
Aren't you supposed to be intelligent though?
Originally posted by Surtur
And yet we have had people charged with murder for killing a fetus.If it is a life then sorry, momma can't snuff it out unless it is in self defense, which in this case would mean the baby was a threat to her life.
I just want consistency lol. Either it's a life or it's not. I don't care what they choose, but they *do* need to choose.
Originally posted by cdtmYou're arguing semantics. That in some (but not all) U.S. States the term fetal homicide is used to prosecute people for killing a fetus does not mean those same states should afford the fetus all the rights of personhood, or rather treat it as equal in rights to the mother. And its usually pro-lifers who push for this kind of legislation anyway.
You wouldn't charge someone for murder if they vandalize your property.Murder is something you charge for killing a human being. No one murders a family dog or cat, whether it's theirs or not.
The idea however that if you support abortion you should not prosecute people for unlawfully terminating a pregnancy is moronic in the extreme, and what my example to Surturd is intended to point out.
Originally posted by MythLordNot really, a foetus is "alive" from the moment of conception. Its a living organism, the debate is other at which stage its a person.
A baby in a womb isn't a fetus the entire 9 months. It becomes that after the first trimester. And even then it isn't until later when the brain starts fully forming that you can call it "alive".
So technically a two-month pregnant woman isn't harbouring a living being.
Originally posted by MythLord
A baby in a womb isn't a fetus the entire 9 months. It becomes that after the first trimester. And even then it isn't until later when the brain starts fully forming that you can call it "alive".
So technically a two-month pregnant woman isn't harbouring a living being.
I agree with all that. But we have had instances of women in the first trimester getting attacked and losing the baby and the person gets charged with murder. And instances where both mother and fetus die and the person got charged with a double murder.
It makes no sense. Technically in less than 60 days the kid has a heartbeat, but the only set of circumstances out there that make any sense in determining if it is alive is how old it is. Who is doing the killing is irrelevant if it is indeed a life.
Originally posted by MythLord
A baby in a womb isn't a fetus the entire 9 months. It becomes that after the first trimester. And even then it isn't until later when the brain starts fully forming that you can call it "alive".
So technically a two-month pregnant woman isn't harbouring a living being.
By our definition of human beings, yes.
I'm less concerned about the status of the thing, then I am with what terminating it entails.
In the sense that if you or I were aborted in the womb, we couldn't be having this conversation right now. I can't advocate the willful ending of someone elses entire life, any more then I could my own.
That's what empathy is. Which makes me a very odd human, I've come to learn..
Originally posted by Surtur
I agree with all that. But we have had instances of women in the first trimester getting attacked and losing the baby and the person gets charged with murder. And instances where both mother and fetus die and the person got charged with a double murder.It makes no sense. Technically in less than 60 days the kid has a heartbeat, but the only set of circumstances out there that make any sense in determining if it is alive is how old it is. Who is doing the killing is irrelevant if it is indeed a life.
Because, with abortion, the mother consents that she wants to abort. But with if her fetus dies in the womb while she still planned on having a child, that's not quite murder(in the first trimester, mind you) but it's still an outrageous crime to take away a woman's chance at motherhood.
Originally posted by MythLord
A baby in a womb isn't a fetus the entire 9 months. It becomes that after the first trimester. And even then it isn't until later when the brain starts fully forming that you can call it "alive".
So technically a two-month pregnant woman isn't harbouring a living being.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Not really, a foetus is "alive" from the moment of conception. Its a living organism, the debate is other at which stage its a person.
The U.S NEVER should have wasted American Lives to save pieces of Human Filth like this from Hitler. WWII was a big waste of time.
The Gas Chambers are still a go with people like you 2.
Originally posted by MythLord
Well the justice system needs an update, and should change that from murder to assault. However, I feel it should still be punished more harshly than a normal assault, assuming that the woman actually wanted to have the baby.Because, with abortion, the mother consents that she wants to abort. But with if her fetus dies in the womb while she still planned on having a child, that's not quite murder(in the first trimester, mind you) but it's still an outrageous crime to take away a woman's chance at motherhood.
I agree an assault charge would be best.
Originally posted by -Pr-
1. No it's not.
2. What a weird comment to make.
It was somewhat of a joke and a reference to the batshit insanity that goes on in the USA. Momma is 2 months pregnant, wants it gone? Boom, done and it's not murder cuz it's not a life.
Momma is 2 months pregnant, gets attacked, loses the kid? There are states you'd be charged with murder for that.
I am pro choice for every single state where such nonsense would not be possible.
And on that note...
Originally posted by MythLordIf you believe abortion violates the life of another human being, then why is it immoral to seek legal protection for that other human being? It’s not like smoking or drug use where you can say “if you don’t like it don’t do it” because that would be behavior one person is taking that only effects them so it is none of your business, if you believe abortions are people deciding to terminate a life that is not their own it’s not an unfair infringement on them to ask for legal protection for that other life.
A baby in a womb isn't a fetus the entire 9 months. It becomes that after the first trimester. And even then it isn't until later when the brain starts fully forming that you can call it "alive".
So technically a two-month pregnant woman isn't harbouring a living being.
If the fetus is a separate human being then I’m sorry but no they do not have that right. It is not my right to intervene in a person’s decisions about their own life, but I have a moral obligation to support laws that prevent people from violating the rights of other human beings. Some random guy on the street is not legally mine either because slavery is rightly illegal, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have the right to intervene in somebody else’s decision to try and kill that person. “If you don’t like one don’t get one but don’t infringe on other people’s liberties to choose differently” is only a valid argument when the freedom in question does not infringe upon the rights of another human being, in this case the fetus’s right to life.