Originally posted by riv6672
Zod.
Nefaria was pussy. Poweful as hell, yeah, but he freaked every time an Avenger caused him pain, or when he couldnt just one shot them, or even just crumple Cap's shield.
Zod's a warrior, and would give no quarter, wearing Nefaria down mentally as well as physically.
that wasn't him at all in his bigger more recent arc. he was pretty easily whooping down the avengers. at his best i'd take the count.
Originally posted by JBL
Nefaria. The Avengers Steamrolled superman and would do the same to Zod. Look at what nefaria did to the avengers.
nonsense.
Superman was fighting a physically weaker hero and was npwhere near going for the wkill, which is what necessitates accessing his full power art that point.
Further, Nefaria NEVER fought a group as physically formidable as the one that beat down an already injured holding back Superman.
nice try though.
Originally posted by leonidas
did you read the much more recent arc...?
Power ups come and go, but cowadly bullies are cowardly bullies.
Zod would beat Nefaria, because he would scare Nefaria.
I'm confident of that opinion across the board.
Originally posted by cdtm
Nefaria is overrated.Who did he beat? A lot of heralds could tear up Iron Man, classic Wonder Man, Wasp.. Thor was holding his own, and he is known for holding back. And Vision KO'd him.
And in the second big event, Ionic Wonder Man and Atlus were out of the fight.
Zod should destroy.
Nefaria was compared to the Destroyer and palmed Mjolnir in a move that wasn't replicated for decades in his first appearance. That's beyond Zod's capabilities. He was completely oblivious to his potential but so would anyone if they just got above Top Tier power. If Thor wasn't in the picture, sure, you could compare him to say Gladiator or Zod or Hyperion but Thor was. The same shit happens to the Justice League even with scrubs like Orm. Comics bro.
I know there were Scrubs but these are still the Avengers and nothing worked. There was never any hope of beating him. They said it like 5 times. Everything flat out failed from #32-#34 from the Scarlet Witch's magic, to an Ionic energy disruption tool they built with Madame Masque, to the Vision phasing into Nefaria's body. Even with a kryptonian, that much brain power or opportunity to attack (He let them try everything they could) would have resulted in a win through some energy disruptor. They have ZERO on the JL power wise, but the Avenger's are great at team work and coming up with a good plan. He laughed off their attacks consistently and nothing hurt. With the way Busiek wrote the Avengers, that shit was impressive, and it was implied he was at a level that Thor couldn't beat.
Originally posted by riv6672
No i havent, but like i said, his original arc is where he was, imo, at his best. This was him as originally intended, before multiple writers got their hands on him, powered him up and down and sideways.
And, in that original arc, he was a pussy.Power ups come and go, but cowadly bullies are cowardly bullies.
Zod would beat Nefaria, because he would scare Nefaria.
I'm confident of that opinion across the board.
Nefaria WAS a cowardly shit who can't stand up to Zod in a contest of mental strength, but, he was at his best. He was holding his body together by force of will. And even in the beginning, he was scared shit less of Thor, but took Thor's attacks who hits harder than Zod and has more power.
And this is Nefaria at his best, decades later. Maybe we're using a version of Zod I'm unfamiliar with. I'm assuming evil Zod who's working at efficient levels.
This would be a split if we couldn't use Thor as a measuring stick (True, he holds back, but let's not milk that as if we're Superman fans excusing showing) and forget that the Avengers use to be pretty damn good at solving problems and Nefaria was on that boundary where they could maybe, beat him, but it took a shit load of luck
Nefaria WAS a cowardly shit who can't stand up to Zod in a contest of mental strength, but, he was at his best. He was holding his body together by force of will. And even in the beginning, he was scared shit less of Thor, but took Thor's attacks who hits harder than Zod and has more power.And this is Nefaria at his best, decades later. Maybe we're using a version of Zod I'm unfamiliar with. I'm assuming evil Zod who's working at efficient levels.
This would be a split if we couldn't use Thor as a measuring stick (True, he holds back, but let's not milk that as if we're Superman fans excusing showing) and forget that the Avengers use to be pretty damn good at solving problems and Nefaria was on that boundary where they could maybe, beat him, but it took a shit load of luck