ss admitted mephisto was stronger, but....still overpowered him anyway and mephisto could stop him, not through sheer power. i call that overpowering him, but i guess that might just be me. /shrug
regardless, mephisto acknowledged ss was a definite threat to him.
Originally posted by leonidas
https://imgur.com/a/U3ozmss admitted mephisto was stronger, but....still overpowered him anyway and mephisto could stop him, not through sheer power. i call that overpowering him, but i guess that might just be me. /shrug
regardless, mephisto acknowledged ss was a definite threat to him.
lol toying with him? proof of that?? he tried and failed repeatedly against ss in that issue. your scans don't disprove or invalidate my own. it just shows that mephisto's level isn't consistent. one of the reasons his 'omnipotence' is challenged so often. thor embarrassed him:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-1442139
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-1442140
sure he has some good highs, but he has a lot of lows, enough to make this fight ANYTHING but a sure thing.
Thor has a very favorable record against Mephisto. The implication from what we've seen, is that Mephisto would give a weakened Odin outside of his realm a good fight, and he doesn't want any business fighting a non-weakened Odin, period.
This is reinforced by Cul being > Mephisto and other Hell Lords. And Hela being equal or close to it against Mephisto (At least from the two showings that come to mind) and we know how she stacks up against Odin.
Originally posted by leonidas
lol toying with him? proof of that?? he tried and failed repeatedly against ss in that issue. your scans don't disprove or invalidate my own. it just shows that mephisto's level isn't consistent. one of the reasons his 'omnipotence' is challenged so often. thor embarrassed him:https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-1442139
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-1442140
sure he has some good highs, but he has a lot of lows, enough to make this fight ANYTHING but a sure thing.
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Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i dunnno man. there was some intimation that odin would be able to beat him. maybe rage knows what i'm talking about. it was during the arc where odin's soul was in the bag....and ghost rider also beat maephsito not too long ago. that was zarathos iirc (some of those gr's were hard to keep track of...) i'd put uatu in odin's category personally--maybe even slightly above. not sure who takes this tbh. it's close though imo. very very close.
A few people don't realize it, but the Rider in it's purest form can run with Sky Fathers. It's something that the people that have voted for Etrigan over Ghost Rider may not realize. Then again, I guess that it depends on the version being specified as well.
On topic, if we were using Galactus as a measuring stick, Uatu's chances of winning here should be a very tough sale.
Originally posted by Stoic
A few people don't realize it, but the Rider in it's purest form can run with Sky Fathers. It's something that the people that have voted for Etrigan over Ghost Rider may not realize. Then again, I guess that it depends on the version being specified as well.On topic, if we were using Galactus as a measuring stick, Uatu's chances of winning here should be a very tough sale.
depends as always what state g was in, and turns out i was right. ss and nova fought and saved the planet g was ready to devour so he was def in a hungry state. he even tells mephisto himself in the battle that he he hungry as he begins to devour hell. g was def at less than optimum levels imo when he faced off with mephisto, adding further doubt to the levels of 'omnipotence' he actually has in hell. i'd rank him below odin for certain, which to me would be mean uatu could probably beat him.
Originally posted by leonidas
huh. that's odd. maybe post from the book later. can't recall the issue # off the top of my head. it's where thor seals mephisto in a pit and calls it a day. lol
Mephisto THROWS FIGHTS for sh|ts and giggles which would easily explain his low showings. More on this later.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor has a very favorable record against Mephisto. The implication from what we've seen, is that Mephisto would give a weakened Odin outside of his realm a good fight, and he doesn't want any business fighting a non-weakened Odin, period.This is reinforced by Cul being > Mephisto and other Hell Lords. And Hela being equal or close to it against Mephisto (At least from the two showings that come to mind) and we know how she stacks up against Odin.
Interesting fight and some interesting scans.
Mephisto is very hard to judge because at times he seems to be able to do anything and there is the whole hell lords "omnipotent in their own realms" thing.
But the fact is that people have beaten him in his realm. Galactus threatened to destroy hell with Mephisto seemingly unable to stop it. Surfer beat him (OK yes that was due to 'goodness'😉, Warlock defeated him in hell, and Thor has managed to come out on top at least two or three times with Mephisto even basically saying he couldn't beat the thunder god. Mephisto even tried to consume Thor's soul and it was so strong it broke free.
I also wondered about the hammer slagging incident and if it was possibly just an illusion. After all, Meph outright states he is not engaging in a physical fight but is trying to destroy Thor's will and spirit - and immediately follows up with illusion of Odin. Also, in other fights with Thor, Mephisto is clearing seen trying to avoid the hammer throws and trying other means of stopping it.
As for Zeus, well it is possible he just tried to use physical strength to hold it and was surprised he couldn't. Do we know for certain in those brief moments if he really exerted his full skyfather power to break/halt the enchantment? He didn't exactly seem to be going all out there.
Mephisto also has other low showings such as being captured by Black Panther.
Basically, Mephisto is all over the place and you never know what he is really doing or pretending or whatever. And maybe the writers shouldn't have him getting into fights with earth heroes because it inevitably makes him look bad.
That said, the Watcher is powerful and I don't think Meph can simply take his soul, however I can see Uatu getting into the same situation as Galactus did but without the ability to consume the realm to win out. This also recalls the Stranger vs Pluto in hell fight - Stranger was powerful, and Pluto had to draw on the power of his realm several times to keep fighting, but eventually Stranger had to call on help.
So edge to Mephisto. Outside of hell the fight is perhaps different.
Originally posted by basilisk
Interesting fight and some interesting scans.Mephisto is very hard to judge because at times he seems to be able to do anything and there is the whole hell lords "omnipotent in their own realms" thing.
But the fact is that people have beaten him in his realm. Galactus threatened to destroy hell with Mephisto seemingly unable to stop it. Surfer beat him (OK yes that was due to 'goodness'😉, Warlock defeated him in hell, and Thor has managed to come out on top at least two or three times with Mephisto even basically saying he couldn't beat the thunder god. Mephisto even tried to consume Thor's soul and it was so strong it broke free.
I also wondered about the hammer slagging incident and if it was possibly just an illusion. After all, Meph outright states he is not engaging in a physical fight but is trying to destroy Thor's will and spirit - and immediately follows up with illusion of Odin. Also, in other fights with Thor, Mephisto is clearing seen trying to avoid the hammer throws and trying other means of stopping it.
As for Zeus, well it is possible he just tried to use physical strength to hold it and was surprised he couldn't. Do we know for certain in those brief moments if he really exerted his full skyfather power to break/halt the enchantment? He didn't exactly seem to be going all out there.
Mephisto also has other low showings such as being captured by Black Panther.
Basically, Mephisto is all over the place and you never know what he is really doing or pretending or whatever. And maybe the writers shouldn't have him getting into fights with earth heroes because it inevitably makes him look bad.
That said, the Watcher is powerful and I don't think Meph can simply take his soul, however I can see Uatu getting into the same situation as Galactus did but without the ability to consume the realm to win out. This also recalls the Stranger vs Pluto in hell fight - Stranger was powerful, and Pluto had to draw on the power of his realm several times to keep fighting, but eventually Stranger had to call on help.
So edge to Mephisto. Outside of hell the fight is perhaps different.
Good post
