Darth Tenebrous and the Galaxy Unbalancing feat

These Sith existed in an era in which midichlorians of a living being could be observed with relevant tools (and experimented with). How exactly is this an indication of superiority in strength over ancients who did not had access to similar tools? 🙄

Tenebrous defies the will of the Force with his act of manipulating midi-chlorians, preventing them from being subsumed into the Cosmic Force after death, and severing them from the Force’s sovereignty entirely.

What is so special about Darth Tenebrous preventing a tiny fraction of his midichlorians to be subsumed into Cosmic Force after death?

Revan kept his [ruined] body "animated" with sheer force of will, after his apparent death in a fight with an Imperial Strike Team. Revan's act of defiance was so intense that his spirit lurked separately from his animated corpse - and this [anomaly] caused a massive disturbance in the Force that could be felt from anywhere.

To successfully manipulate midi-chlorians for them to do the user’s bidding, one must have enough will and strength in the Force to override the Force’s control of them and replace it with one’s own. Midi-chlorians are the Force’s “proxy army”; they execute the Force’s will and allow the Force to be sensed and used by mortals, in addition to being the basis for the Living Force and life in the galaxy. Thus, for Tenebrous to be able to manipulate them, he’d require the willpower to substitute the will of the Force, so that instead of executing the Force’s will, the midi-chlorians would instead execute Tenebrous’ will, and that is exactly what he did.

Perhaps some are not aware of accomplishments of Darth Scabrous:

In the dining hall, Lussk was watching the dead awaken.

He saw it with two sets of eyes: the ones he'd had when he'd been alive, and the strange new vision that the Sickness had given him. On some intuitive level he understood that the first set was fading, going blind, and that was fine with him, absolutely fine. The Sickness had given him everything he'd hoped for, everything he wanted, power and strength beyond all imagining. It had altered the midi-chlorians in his bloodstream, telescoping his natural abilities, enhancing them exponentially.

He had been here, of course, when the things burst out of the kitchen, and he'd defended himself adroitly with a series of Force pushes and acrobatic jumps while weaker and less skilled students had fallen and been devoured. Within minutes the things from the kitchen had transformed the dining hall into a charnel house of untrammeled butchery. Now the floors were slick with blood.

The newly dead were rising slowly, shuffling to their feet. Rising up with them, Lussk stared into their faces, faces that he recognized from the academy, now contorted into something utterly new. He felt no fear at the sight of them, no sense of foreboding-only a slick dark fascination.

I'm looking at my future, he thought, and shivered with anticipation. It was a good future, he realized, an endless future, a place of unfathomable possibility.

He saw it all now. The rumor was that Darth Scabrous had been experimenting with an immortality drug, a remedy for death itself, and Lussk saw now that the Sith Lord had been successful beyond his wildest dreams and most deranged nightmares. These things had transcended death. The power they held was beyond anything taught here at the academy. Before it, both Jedi and Sith were nothing, less than nothing, infinitesimal crumbs in the vast expanse of the universe.

Taken from Red Harvest

In fact, it could be argued that since Sidious and Plagueis are able to merge into a "discorporate and [...] single entity" that even their combined power wasn't enough to manipulate midi-chlorians, as they had to unbalance the Force first before Plagueis was able to revive Venamis. And it was the Bith's resurrection, not the unbalancing feat or their combined power, that "stunned Sidious into silence," indicating that keeping midi-chlorians trapped in the physical world - overriding the will of the Force - is more impressive.

Darth Scabrous >>>>>

Both Tenebrous and Plagueis can observe midichlorians through the Force, Tenebrous in particular can observe them individually.

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Meh, I still favor valk over tene but I'm open to being convinced.

Originally posted by ILS
Both Tenebrous and Plagueis can observe midichlorians through the Force, Tenebrous in particular can observe them individually.

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They lived in an era in which midichlorians were "well-understood." And both were scientists on top.

There's more than a few quotes on this, but these should surely suffice:

Looking at the Bith through the Force, he perceived that the midi-chlorians were already beginning to die out, as were the neurons that made up Tenebrous’s lofty brain and the muscle cells that powered his once-able heart.

This was Plagueis' customary technique: a close examination, through the Force, of the midi-chlorian decay that accompanied the physical death of his victims. Tenebrous was by far the most powerful Force-user whose death Plagueis had the opportunity to observe, and he had known all along that his apprentice would apply all his physical, mental, and Force capabilities-pitiful as they might be- to witness each slightest detail.

And for Tenebrous:

His Force-perception was even more acute than the magnifying powers of his enormous eyes; in the Force, he could feel each individual midi-chlorian wink out in turn, a spreading wave of darkness, like stars eclipsed by the silhouette of an approaching ship.
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Amidst the billions upon billions of individual midi-chlorian deaths in Tenebrous' cells were a tiny fraction of midi-chlorians that were not dying.

I swear that Az's post is so stupid that he has problems in reading the text.

[Due to their role in Force interactions, altering them was singularly challenging - they had an unsettling tendency to spontaneously express unexpected and unfortunate side effects - but by applying the full analytic prowess of his vast Bith brain and the preternatural power of his Bith senses to detect and resolve sub-microscopic structure, he eventually succeeded in creating a retrovirus that would transform normal midi-chlorians into long-lived maxi-chlorians]

You see. The text flatly says that the only reason Tenebrous managed to do that was by creating a retroviruse using his Bith intellect and senses. He didn't do anything via the Force to challenge the Force's rule. Instead he did it via science(a non-Force method). He didn't do anything via his own raw power in the Force. He didn't impose his own will over the Force, so the Force didn't respond back.

I think Red Harvest implies that Lussk can also perceive the midi-chlorians. Not only that, but in order for Scabrous to alter the properties of midi-chlorians, he has to Force-perceive them in the first place.

Sorry why is noticing midichlorians in your body dying impressive, when you have the likes of Soa mentally affecting people, across the galaxy, which is Far far far far far bigger, in terms of pinpointing something than pinpointing certain midichlorians.

Creating Holocrons require manipulation at the atomic level anyway, which the likes of Child vitiate can do.

Leave Azronger alone. He still thinks Plagueis and Sidious>ancient Sith because of that Outbalance thing. But even Malgus and his fellow have performed a similar wide-galaxy meditation to suffuse the galaxy with the power of the dark side and hinder the Jedi's Force sight.

"You were trusted to lead the Republic, but you were deceived, as our POWERS OF THE DARK SIDE HAVE BLINDED YOU…."
-Darth Malgus

What about Scabrous who could alter midi-chlorians(likely by multiplying them) to increase his own power in the Force or Sion who wouldn't let his own midi-chlorians to go into the Cosmic Force and at the same time preserving his own dead body?

What Sidious and Plagueis did pales in comparison with the prowess of the old masters. Heck, even in Dark Empire, Sidious came to them to seek a remedy for his damaged body.

So the collective order of the sith, blinded the collective order of the Jedi, not surprised when they have Vitiate.

But meh, Sidious highhandedly Blocked the Jedi's connection to foresight, during order 66, resulting in the Jedi purge.

yup^

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Plagueis's demonstration of briefly re-animating the corpse of Darth Venamis pales in comparison to accomplishments of Darth Scabrous in relatively disadvantaged circumstances.

Darth Scabrous >>>>>

Originally posted by MythLord

Originally posted by Haschwalth
So the collective order of the sith, blinded the collective order of the Jedi, not surprised when they have Vitiate.

But meh, Sidious highhandedly Blocked the Jedi's connection to foresight, during order 66, resulting in the Jedi purge.

Exactly. This proves that even Vitiate is capable of such cosmic feats. As about Palpatine. It was much easier for Palpatine to hinder the Jedi's sight by himself because he and Plagueis mostly did it when they underwent that Sith meditation of suffusing the galaxy with the power of the dark side.

Note: I do not thing that Vitiate had anything to do with what Malgus said. I think Malgus said that the Sith Emperor isn't concerned with the fate of the empire. Even, so, this proves that if someone like Malgus could do that with a collective of Sith, what stops Vitiate from doing that by himself? Probably because Vitiate doesn't care about the Jedi nor the Sith, he only faced them when necessary.