Darth Maul vs. Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik (Legends)

Started by slayne4 pages

Maul, good fight.

How, though?

Surik's more powerful given Traya scaling. She's also one of the three most powerful Jedi who ever lived by SWTOR, alongside Revan and the Hero of Tython.

Maul isn’t competent enough to win
Granted his opponents are trash tier too

@AP:

Surik's more powerful given Traya scaling.

Traya scaling isn't nearly enough to put Surik above Maul, kek.
She's also one of the three most powerful Jedi who ever lived by SWTOR, alongside Revan and the Hero of Tython.

Gonna need a quote for this.

Traya's both more powerful and masterful than Maul by a decent margin, in fact I'd say in the Trayus Core she's a whole other tier above him. Her spirit is confirmed to be a stronger dark side entity than Sel-makor and a greater source of dark side power than the Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas.

"I've never sensed anything so alive with the dark side."
- The Empire's Wrath, The Old Republic

As for Surik's own power, Scourge puts her and Revan above all other Jedi:

"For a time I worked with the greatest of your Jedi heroes: Revan and the Jedi Exile."
- Lord Scourge, The Old Republic
"Revan was both Jedi Master and Sith Lord. His student, the Exile, defeated the Sith triumvirate. They were your greatest heroes."
- Lord Scourge, The Old Republic

He has more than enough experience to make the claim:

As the Sith Emperor’s personal executioner, the grimly fatalistic Lord Scourge has personally killed more than a hundred Jedi–and ten times as many Sith.
- Lord Scourge Codex Entry
As the feared "Emperor's Wrath," Scourge enforced his Master's will for more than three centuries. When a Jedi grew too powerful or a Sith too ambitious, Scourge eliminated the threat.
-The Old Republic Encyclopedia

Geistalt of Gehenna back at it again

Traya on Malachor:

Maul on Malachor:

LOL
Or his brilliant showing getting 3 shot by Old Ben
Maul ****ing sucks

Canon Maul dies, yeah.

Legends Maul tools these two pretty easily.

To be fair, the KOTOR II Exile and Meetra are all but different people if one simply looks at their competence. I find it highly likely Drew didn't care to study someone else's character and considering he even sacrificed "his own" character in Revan to the Vitiate wank of that novel, I'd say without reservation that KOTOR II "Meetra" is the more powerful version.

That being said, Maul is a rather inconsistent character and I feel like this comes about from simply being portrayed in multiple forms of media and by different people regardless of who/what the character truly is. IE: It's to be expected.

Operating under the assumption this is Maul as of SoD to give him his best chance, that is all it really is, a chance and to be frank not a very favorable one. If we assume that by "Meetra" this is also the canon LS Exile then by the end of KOTOR II then I don't think the team will slaughter him in sabers given that Meetra would be more inclined to fight defensively and I doubt Scourge's ability to deal a killing blow without more active application of skill from his partner. That being said, the team would eventually win the saber duel as I also find it an impossibility that Maul kills either one of them quickly, he then proceeds to get frustrated as he is oft to do (one of the few things kept truly consistent with the character) and dies via over-extension after a moderately difficult duel if it is kept just to that. It also goes basically without saying that Maul's dueling prowess is > his realized force power and given the power of his two opponents he's not going to be able to use the Force exclusively against one without the other punishing him for it. Basically leaving him in the above described position where as his options and stamina dwindle frustration will set in and Maul will slip up for the loss.

As a little joke here at the end: Likely from tripping over a rock and impaling himself on his own saber or something equally retarded.

Very good breakdown.

Maul has a chance in sabers, a very slim one but it's a chance none the less.

What? Traya's spirit>Sel-Makor? That's retarded, to be frank.

Darth Traya would slaughter Darth Maul, let alone the duo of Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Canon Maul dies, yeah.

Legends Maul tools these two pretty easily.

Pretty relevant given these two don’t even exist in Canon.

there's a rule that you cant pin a legends character against a canon character?

And you don\t understand a joke. 🙂

Maul wins.

@AP:

Her spirit is confirmed to be a stronger dark side entity than Sel-makor and a greater source of dark side power than the Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas.

If we're following your line of reasoning, then Traya should be more powerful than Baras as well given that the Wrath has sensed Baras before and deemed Traya more powerful. Yet her codex entry tells us that she was 'dominated' by Baras into doing his bidding, suggesting that Baras has superior power. So forgive me if I'm not exactly too sure about the validity of the Wrath's judgement of her power.
As for Surik's own power, Scourge puts her and Revan above all other Jedi:

That's great, but... how does this help her chances against Maul? All this does is put her an unknown distance above nameless, featless, and most likely fodder Jedi.

It could be that the Wrath was just being polite.

Darth Vowrawn says, "There she is—the Entity. Such pure dark side energy. Is she not utterly beautiful?" immediately beforehand.

Originally posted by slayne
That's great, but... how does this help her chances against Maul? All this does is put her an unknown distance above nameless, featless, and most likely fodder Jedi.

Didn't she defeat Darth Traya? She also defeated Darth Sion earlier. So she is legit.