Originally posted by leonidas
https://imgur.com/a/J8PTcthat was after baptiste had been returned to human form--"HIS MEMORIES OF WHAT HE DID ARE A FAR WORSE PUNISHMENT..."
Not sure what that proves exactly? Literally no different then werewolf wendigo scene. He knew he was the wendigo, knew he killed and ate people but didn't know the extent of what he did.
Originally posted by leonidas
https://imgur.com/a/RzVcSa wendigo is actually a functioning member of omega flight before it dies.
Yes I know. He never talked and we don't know if he was sentient say like Larry or Mauvais in control or controlled through mechanical means like the "Wendigo" in Weapon P.R.I.M.E. which was done through a "cybernetic control box". Same government that funds that rendition of Omega Flight. Zero context behind that
Originally posted by leonidas
https://imgur.com/a/vAeiXfrom his first appearance before the scan you showed--he clearly DID have a mind though it was eventually overshadowed by the wendigo's nature. he was later of course returned to human form when baptiste "saved" him, but he was a wendigo for a lengthy while before he "lost" his mind.
Not sure how that disproves what I said? Human gets curse. Human still intact before curse fully takes over. Curse takes over and human mind is gone. Similar to Michael Fleet and others. At the end of the issue which the scan I already posted confirms the human mind is gone forever.
This is said in the comics to, but here's a summary. "soon after the act of cannibalism, ALL aspects of the cannibal's humanity becomes OBLITERATED as the person assumes the voracious appetite and bestial instructs of the wendigo". Later "during the fight cartier's mind was COMPLETLY SUBMERGED"
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheOfficialHandbookoftheMarvelUnive.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheOfficialHandbookoftheMarvelUn-1.jpg
From the Hulk 2004 handbook: "Under MOST circumstances a Wendigo possesses only a crude a animal-life intellect; certain individuals have proven able to retain their human intelligence via use of magic"....ie. rare human mind is still there.
Even with the penance stare against a non fully transformed wendigo. Ghost rider says "...and invoked the ancient curse that transformed him into the wendigo. As the last vestiages of his humanity were CONSUMED, his soul screamed out to his beloved "
Originally posted by leonidas
https://imgur.com/a/EA1Nf😂
MR. WENDIGO. an instructor for the x-men.
https://imgur.com/a/qRxJh
A wendigo recruited by the hellfire club. THAT wendigo was actually (apparently) baptiste again.
[b]BOTTOM LINE
: looks like you may want to revise your opinions on the nature of the wendigo, its mind and its humanity. 👆[/B]
Not entirely sure why your so confident you didn't countered what I said. Your examples were already questionable and how many OTHER showings of Wendigo have their been over the years?
Concerning Mr.Wendigo. If I remember correctly didn't Bapiste becoming Wendigo again due to Hellfire virus? Similar to what they did with Abigail Marigold attacking the mansion in the first few issues of Wolverine & the X-Men. They made her into wendigo and even turned Eugene Clud into a copy of Sauron...ie. fake versions. So not a true representation unless I missed something???
Originally posted by leonidas
i dunno. same reason superman doesn't always use speed? in rachel's case she was exhausted against the wendigo army and shutting one down would have been meaningless anyway. they were also different even by normal wendigo standards given the beast's magic at play. as for talisman and shaman--how many times have they attackes and shut down someone's mind? beats me.
Or you know the reason which Shaman said he is protected by magics and resisted their full powers. Where was she exhausted at the start of the story? She wasn't at all. She even tried reading just their mind in the series and couldn't do it easily or 100% accurate. Now why would it being meaningless again? Take down a few to put then out of commission or simply control them to fight for you. However, all they could do is get Nightcrawler to BFR even when the Wendigo numbers were low.
Also this goes to my earlier point what is current wendigo? as that Wendigo story followed the same one that appeared in the Red Hulk book spreading the wendigo virus with a cut/scratch. World War Wendigo continued this story point.
Originally posted by leonidas
it is NOT a debate as regards logan and creed because they actually HAVE tp resist feats. you've said a couple times now that wendigos have tp resistance and that one even HAD tp, but you still haven't shown anything that would be considered a resistance feat from any version of a wendigo.
How so? We have Wendigo fight telepathic users and not once was he defeated or taken over by telepathy and we know his magical curse provides defences against peoples full powers...ie. defence.
Originally posted by leonidas
beyond his normal hf and invulnerability? haven't seen that before. if you're talking about that guardian blast that had no effect that doesn't look like anything more than his normal invulnerability protecting him to me. add in the fact that earlier in that very issue logan briefly ko'd him and i'm not buying what you're selling here either. obviously sasquatch and hulk ko'd him and we've seen him hurt many times. we saw a wendigo die in the avengers scan i posted. here we see same random dealing with wendigo using the crimson bands:https://imgur.com/a/JDRJq
huh? read Shaman's dialogue below the energy blast scan. Yes magical invulnerability because you know...he's magic. The curse didn't make him just strong and durable it made him immortal. Ah lawd. Notice Snowbird says PHYSICAL means still work, but their other powers do NOT. Hence, why Wolverine was able to do it while the others couldn't. Magical defences are far harder to get beyond then regular durability. Superman can attest to that.
Concerning your scan that was after wolverine was thrown through his chest and was knocked out. They didn't just do that to an awake wendigo. Same way Shaman said he couldn't bind an awake wendigo
Originally posted by leonidas
i was referencing your own statement that some had TELEPATHIC defense, not defenses in general (which...wouldn't make sense...)--something you STILL haven't shown. should likely understand what i'm saying before laughing. 👆
Where does it say Shaman's defence comment doesn't refer to defence against telepathy? As we know he and others of Alpha Flight have telepathy and not ONCE have used it to take down Wendigo. Hell NO ONE has used telepathy to take down a Wendigo period even when battling actual telepaths as well.
Originally posted by leonidas
the tsk tsk'ing is moderately annoying (as it was in that snowbird thread which i will get back to eventually) especially in light of....all the above. lying? i never said, and wouldn't say, you lied about anything. maybe you were just unaware of some of the more recent (and older) wendigo showings? now you know. 👆
I'm the one who made the Wendigo respect thread 😬 I'm very aware of his showings
Originally posted by leonidas
i can actually respect that. for my part i was likely hasty in my initial assessment. maybe it wouldn't be as easy as i first thought, but maybe it would be. again, grodd is accustomed to controlling savages and even in his first appearance the wendigo DID have a human mind for the entire issue. we also know even as the wendigo the human DOES have its memories (shown above), and we've seen several decidedly humanized wendigos. weight of evidence would indicate that grodd COULD control a wendigo imo, or certainly shut one down by destroying its mind, but there may be a version (or versions) that would be more difficult for him to handle--assuming speed force is off, of course.
He DID, but as noted lost it. He was telepathically talking to Hulk to save him. Then he was forever gone. Let's put it this way IF it was so easy to telepathically control Wendigo who has Talisman, Strange, Shaman, Rachel Summers ever done it. Rachael not once could control a wendigo and merely just using TK put her "brain on fire" she even tried reading their minds and was like "I think....they're scared"
Here let's turn it around. Where's your proof that a telepath COULD pull the human mind out and take control of Wendigo?
