Originally posted by riv6672Lol, classic non-response.
And thats fine and dandy, we've also seen Superman doesnt consistently fight at SS.
If you want to give him the win, thats your prerogative, so is using a faulty argument to do it.
Angela and Wolverine are both great examples to point to. Thor doesn't have the street level benefit of having his supposed elite skill somehow make up for opponents' superior speed.
And this match leaves Superman with his biggest advantages (speed, strength, dial > 11), while stripping Thor of his (magic, lightning, Mjolnir).
Without equalizing speed, Superman smacks Thor around with his new sword.
Oh i responded, you guys are just blowing it off, talking shit, and using faulty arguments.
How faulty?
Well, DS, who's opinion i respect/usually agree with (and happens to have Supes in his dig go figure) says:
We've seen what happens when Thor fights a bladed warrior with superior speed.Her name was Angela.
Completely ignoring that Angela is waaaaay more skilled than Supes will ever be along with her speed/attributing her showing to Supes, when i've seen him tear other posters apart for doing the same things in other threads.
So, basically, if you want a clearer response, its:
Superman doesnt win this fight, son.
I'm right.
You're wrong.
Ha.
Ha.
Originally posted by riv6672
Oh i responded, you guys are just blowing it off, talking shit, and using faulty arguments.How faulty?
Well, DS, who's opinion i respect/usually agree with (and happens to have Supes in his dig go figure) says:Completely ignoring that Angela is waaaaay more skilled than Supes will ever be along with her speed/attributing her showing to Supes, when i've seen him tear other posters apart for doing the same things in other threads.
So, basically, if you want a clearer response, its:
Superman doesnt win this fight, son.
I'm right.
You're wrong.
Ha.
Ha.
It wasn't her skill that Thor and Angela attributed her victory to,though.
It was her speed.
Again,this is Thor with his fav weapon. And he was being worked by her,not because of her skill, but specifically because of her speed.
My sig? A tribute to a poster who passed away. Hasn't changed even duringBZs,where I usually do.
We have a specific example posted of Superman backhanding a character who is more skilled and arguably faster than Thor (very arguably lol), WW. Who is also wielding a sword.
You then make a comment about how speed doesn't always kill,andhey,street levellers can make with the stabby stab too!
Thing is....Thor has been the recipient of such stabbings and slicings. YOU'RE the only one equating him toFlash,only, the other way.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We've seen what happens when Thor fights a bladed warrior with superior speed.Her name was Angela.
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Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Like I said, to my knowledge. Just curious, but for what reason did Supes need to use a sword?I honestly feel like a weapon puts Clark at a disadvantage and would slow him down. Thor always has a melee weapon. It's his thing. If this was just regular Supes vs. Thor with a sword I would give Superman the win but since he's now forced to use a sword I see him doing worse with it.
What would happen if guys of this strength level actually swung a normal steel sword as hard as they could? It would probably melt or bend or something right?
There was an instance he fought a space pirate on par with him. He agreed to the duel, I think it was for help finding someone, been a while since I read it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And again:Wolverine is the same example. And was actually using your exact argument. Wolverine is no speedster. Just a guy with superspeed.
Doesn't stop him tagging Thor just fine.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It wasn't her skill that Thor and Angela attributed her victory to,though.It was her speed.
Again,this is Thor with his fav weapon. And he was being worked by her,not because of her skill, but specifically because of her speed.
My sig? A tribute to a poster who passed away. Hasn't changed even duringBZs,where I usually do.
Are we going to ignore that Thor fought an upgraded Angela equally in their third fight?
Or the fact that Angela, is also, much more skilled with a blade than Superman and probably the greatest combination of skill/speed Thor has ever encountered? She's a female Wolverine with crazy speed* and herald level stats.
If anything, Angela is an excellent example of Thor demonstrating amazing speed/reflexes with even more impressive skill and evidence that Thor would stomp Superman unless he starts utilizing his speed in a way that would make Abhilegend happier than clean drinking water. I.e. in a CBR fashion.
She fought a Thor, an exhausted Thor, who had no desire to fight.
*She actively countered the Disir's first strike who were specifically noted to be faster than thought, lightning and everything else. How fast does that make her? Flash level? Definitely faster than any character in Marvel I can think off of the top of my head in terms of fighting reflexes. But I guess it's in fighting bursts, not consistent, similar to Wonder Woman.
Originally posted by Philosophía
edited.Good boy, you put that out.
What are you talking about you idiot?
You disagree with what I said? Which part? The Angela cherry-picking or the irony that she is an example of Thor easily fighting (Even getting the advantage over) someone who's just as fast as Superman in combat 90% of the time, with greater skill?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusOh, good, you're back to this.
What are you talking about you idiot?You disagree with what I said? Which part? The Angela cherry-picking or the irony that she is an example of Thor easily fighting (Even getting the advantage over) someone who's just as fast as Superman in combat 90% of the time, with greater skill?
Battlezone invitation.
Superman without any weapon, with a hand behind his back, against Thor with an adamantium sword.
Only melee, no HV/Lightning etc.
Good to go?
Things have gone nicely in this thread today. Sweet. Good reading.
You then make a comment about how speed doesn't always kill,andhey,street levellers can make with the stabby stab too!Thing is....Thor has been the recipient of such stabbings and slicings. YOU'RE the only one equating him toFlash,only, the other way.
Your Angela example's been refuted so not rehashing that.
It was, though, a good example. You usually give good, agree w. you or not.
Originally posted by riv6672
Things have gone nicely in this thread today. Sweet. Good reading.Actually my point was, when a poster basically said Supes is faster/Supes will win, is thats a faulty argument (Supes isnt a speedster, and even speedsters dont just get autowins in my book).
By all means, give him the win if you (not you in particular but posters in general) must, but at least be better at the why of it.Your Angela example's been refuted so not rehashing that.
It was, though, a good example. You usually give good, agree w. you or not.
With that said, when two characters are so even in fighting skills, strength, and durability, but the speed disparity is so huge, why not give one character 100% winrate?
Superman and Thor are similar in terms of strength. I give Superman he edge in pure strength and durability. Thor has a better pain threshold.
Without gimmicks like HV or lighting, is there an argument to be made?
