The new Black Panther suits are basically a vastly superior version of the Diamondback suit, as they seem to function on the same principals, yet the BP suits are far more efficient, and can actually redirect the stored energy better, whereas the DB suit could only use it to power itself. Not to mention they don't leave your chin exposed lol.
Originally posted by Smurph
BP isn't Spider-Man though... Spidey is faster, more agile, web-slings, and has a spider sense.
His agility is much closer to Spider-Mans level than it is to Steves level though.
MCU Spider-Man hasnt actively used his Spider Sense in combat yet.
Either way almost everyone agrees the suits durability wins him Round 2 against Cap - Shield or not.
Did anyone see the Same movie as I did? The suit is not a magical anyone who wears it can’t be defeated schitk.
Panther even in the suit was getting rag doll anytime he faced a strong opponent. Panther still feels the some of the hits.
Panther was down when a 320 round hit him. And we know Steve hits far harder than that.
Yeah, he can still get knocked around and such, but the suit will negate a significant portion of the effect it would normally have. T'Challa took a hit from an underslung grenade launcher at one point, yet it didn't do much more than send him stumbling a bit. It didn't actually damage the suit or injure him. In comparison, even with his shield, comparable shots have sent Cap flying (such as the highway scene from TWS).
Originally posted by Darth Thor
The Shield makes it a closer fight, but Cap will lose eithe way.
And why is that?
Killmonger is a good fighter, but when combat abilities is concerned Cap holds 1st place in MCU.
Also, we saw Killmonger and T'Chala being vulnerable to high force impacts.
We saw the shield being able to pierce through Iron Man's suit.
Enough hits from the shield, and Killmonger would K.O.
Also, am pretty sure Cap has more resistance and strength than Killmonger.
Originally posted by SquallX
It shows Panther can be stun. And so far, nothing Panther has taken matches Steve betaken shots from Tony repulsir blast, nor Thor lightning charge hammer strike.Even after the former, Steve was a okay, and we know Thor hits far harder than anyone Panther has ever fought.
Are you...are you using Thor an Cap's first interaction when he did the forest clearing hammer slam on his shield? You realize that by being under the shield he negated all of the force from Thor's strike? He may as well not even have hit him because the energy was absorbed and redirected along the disc of the shield. That's why the blast wave took out the woods around them. So that's irrelevant, as it's not like Cap himself took the blast.
Originally posted by SquallX
It shows Panther can be stun. And so far, nothing Panther has taken matches Steve betaken shots from Tony repulsir blast, nor Thor lightning charge hammer strike.Even after the former, Steve was a okay, and we know Thor hits far harder than anyone Panther has ever fought.
And Steve has been stunned worse by comparable shots. And in CA:CW, a single repulsor shot from Tony floored Steve for way longer than the grenade affected Black Panther. Hell, at another point in the film he literally jumps on another one and is fine as well.
And KingD already addressed the Thor bit.
Plus, it's not like Killmonger is some unskilled noob, totally dependent on gear. We're explicitly told about all his training and experience. And we see him kick T'Challa's ass during their first encounter, and give him hell in their second.
Oh, and he's ignoring how T'Challa was point-blank when Klaw shot him. He only had that box as protection for a vibranium powered blast that knocked him from the second floor to the bottom of the first floor on the opposite side of the room.
Okoye(Bald General/BOdyguard) was completely unconcerned and told Nakia(his future queen) that he'd catch up to them when they chased Klaw. And a few seconds later he was running full speed into the street, completely fine.
Also yeah, Killmonger was just a beast. And judging by the dots, he's got at least a few hundred confirmed kills. The one plus I'll give Panther in the Herbless challenge is that he'd literally just found out his father killed his uncle and left his cousin as an orphan in America. He was still reeling and his heart was nowhere in the fight.
Originally posted by KingD19
Also yeah, Killmonger was just a beast. And judging by the dots, he's got at least a few hundred confirmed kills. The one plus I'll give Panther in the Herbless challenge is that he'd literally just found out his father killed his uncle and left his cousin as an orphan in America. He was still reeling and his heart was nowhere in the fight.
They were pretty much equals IMO. Because Killmonger still pushed BP hard during the final battle, despite the fact that T'Challa has more experience fighting in the suit, as well as fighting while enhanced with the herb. He has had far more time to test and hone the limits of his enhanced abilities. And that kind of thing makes a difference.
Originally posted by KingD19
Are you...are you using Thor an Cap's first interaction when he did the forest clearing hammer slam on his shield? You realize that by being under the shield he negated all of the force from Thor's strike? He may as well not even have hit him because the energy was absorbed and redirected along the disc of the shield. That's why the blast wave took out the woods around them. So that's irrelevant, as it's not like Cap himself took the blast.
Since Cap's shield is Vibranium if anything that feat just points to how strong Panthers stuff would be.
Round 1: Cap beats unarmored but heart-shaped herb powered Killmonger after a good fight. Too many high-level H2H feats against too many opponents for Steve vs Killmonger's one (impressive and formidable) movie appearance.
Round 2: Cap gives it the ol' college try, but Killmonger certainly comes out on top. Cap strikes will only power the vibranium black panther suit, and Eric either stabs, claws, beats down, or vibranium AoE attacks Steve to win. No options for Steve + plenty for Eric + in essence, invulnerability in the suit = a Killmonger victory in Round 2.
EDIT: Added "in essence, invulnerability in the suit" to the final sentence.
Originally posted by John Murdoch
Round 1: Cap beats unarmored but heart-shaped herb powered Killmonger after a good fight. Too many high-level H2H feats against too many opponents for Steve vs Killmonger's one (impressive and formidable) movie appearance.Round 2: Cap gives it the ol' college try, but Killmonger certainly comes out on top. Cap strikes will only power the vibranium black panther suit, and Eric either stabs, claws, beats down, or vibranium AoE attacks Steve to win. No options for Steve + plenty for Eric + in essence, invulnerability in the suit = a Killmonger victory in Round 2.
EDIT: Added "in essence, invulnerability in the suit" to the final sentence.
The kinectic shockwaves of the suit would hardly do anything to Cap. Remember the Shield absorbs kinetic energy too.
We've seen cap getting shot and stabbed with no real damage. Also, i doubt Killmonger is able to land a strike on Cap.
Furthermore, we saw that enough force is able to shock the wearer inside the suit. Cap has enough strenght to do that.
If we consider the odds, Cap's got the edge here (That's with the shield ofcourse).
Originally posted by Nephthys
Since Cap's shield is Vibranium if anything that feat just points to how strong Panthers stuff would be.
logicwise yes.
But in the movie we didn't saw an unstoppable Juggernaut Black Panther. We could actually see that the suit was vulnerable in some cases.
Also, Cap's shield is solid vibranium, whilst the Panther's suit is more like mesh. So i wouldn't call them equals.