Originally posted by leonidas
huh? where was this? possible i just don't recall, but where did you see that? and regardless, his shields still haven't been broken. they also held against dark phoenix among others.
I already posted Iron Man alone breaking his shields.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Iron Man has breached his shields.http://i.imgur.com/TUE8Tpv.png
Not for the first time either.
Originally posted by abhilegend
This is the funniest though.
Magneto never faced Dark Phoenix. When he fought Jean, she had psychic circuits to stop her from using her full power. Even Warhawk defeated her a few issues ago before Magneto did.
Originally posted by leonidas
why not? unenchanted uru has been shattered by a shot of nitrogen and a hand gun.and thor has carved unenchanted uru with his fingers:
if his arm was enchanted somehow (still not sure if it is), maybe he couldn't rip it apart, but he'd still likely be able to have some level of control over it. if it's straight uru, i could easily see mags shredding it and even choking thor to death with it. /shrug
Thor also reforged Mjolnir in the pittsburg steel mill once.
Not exactly relevant now.
If it'd not enchanted then how else would Thor move it? Ot how would it survive the smelting process of the celestial forge? How would it ha e Thor's strength?
How would the arm he is wearing be comparable to a slab of uru? Or just a random uru rock?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's lightning =/= Storm's lightning or regular lightning though. I wasn't sure that to be explained.Sure, some writers might treat it similar, but plenty of times it has been treated completely differently. Thor's lightning has had as much miscellaneous uses as Magneto entire power set. Everything from teleportation, to matter manipulation, to sealing a broken moon to affecting an out of phase Atum in the heart of Sun....
Saying he can manipulate and control lightning which translates to Thor's lightning's being not effective is dumb AF. Magneto vs. Zeus next? And yes, Zeus is the closest example I can think off with similar feats to Thor in the sheer power department of lightning.
Aside from the fact that Thor's lightning has some power showings which suggest he'd flat out kill Magneto, shield and all.
Leave it to Rage to wank Thor to such a degree.
Iron man has repeatedly taken lightning blasts from Thor.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Iron%20Man%20Stats/BEEnergy03IMThor4.jpg
And even manipulate it.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation01IMThor4.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation01a.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation02a.jpg
There is no reason why Magneto can't do it.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Thor also reforged Mjolnir in the pittsburg steel mill once.Not exactly relevant now.
If it'd not enchanted then how else would Thor move it? Ot how would it survive the smelting process of the celestial forge? How would it ha e Thor's strength?
How would the arm he is wearing be comparable to a slab of uru? Or just a random uru rock?
lol yeah that mill was funny. uroc was obviously also enchanted though--i mean he was moving AND walking and talking.... the more enchantments placed on uru the harder it becomes. so unless there are some strong enchantments, i don't really see the arm holding up. the axe, maybe. the arm? not imo.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Magneto War.I already posted Iron Man alone breaking his shields.
Magneto never faced Dark Phoenix. When he fought Jean, she had psychic circuits to stop her from using her full power. Even Warhawk defeated her a few issues ago before Magneto did.
none of the first 3 scans show tony breaking the shields. 😐 the first one certainly not, and the second one he doesn't even look like he has a shield. the last one he blatantly prepped for.
as for dp--she wasn't obviously at star destroying levels, but her powers WERE dramatically increased still. zop's scan supports it--the psychic breakers kept her from achieving her highest levels. no reason to think she wasn't at the same level where she chumped firelord.
and warhawk?? i hope you don't mean that nonsense where he shot her with a tranq dart while she was still jean. that has....nothing to do with her in her dp form.
Originally posted by leonidas
lol yeah that mill was funny. uroc was obviously also enchanted though--i mean he was moving AND walking and talking.... the more enchantments placed on uru the harder it becomes. so unless there are some strong enchantments, i don't really see the arm holding up. the axe, maybe. the arm? not imo.
All in all I'd say this is a rough one for Thor.
But I can't shake the feeling that he might just power through Magnetos shit and destroy him.
Though Magneto might win I just don't see him destroying the arm or affecting it in any meaningful way.
Prolly isn't slagging the arm or the axe. He most likely will affect them though.
I definitely see a power struggle. No way in hell Mags will let Odinson get anywhere close to him. If somehow Odinson starts closing the distance, Mags will try his darndest to fend him off.
Odinson only chance is powering through with a combination of strength, storm, and lightning. Axe and arm won't be why Mags loses. While he on the other hand can utilize them to increase his odds of winning.
Originally posted by leonidas
none of the first 3 scans show tony breaking the shields. 😐 the first one certainly not, and the second one he doesn't even look like he has a shield. the last one he blatantly prepped for.
He oneshots Magneto in Axis through his shields. In Avengers children crusade he breached his shields and Wiccan had to save Magneto.
In WCA 60, he just threw a wooden crate through his shields.
as for dp--she wasn't obviously at star destroying levels, but her powers WERE dramatically increased still. zop's scan supports it--the psychic breakers kept her from achieving her highest levels. no reason to think she wasn't at the same level where she chumped firelord.
Claremont himself stated that she was Storm level in power.
That's not that high.
and warhawk?? i hope you don't mean that nonsense where he shot her with a tranq dart while she was still jean. that has....nothing to do with her in her dp form.
And she didn't do anything to him, eh?
Jean wasn't dark Phoenix against Magneto either.
i saw the scans. i'm saying you're seeing things. the first scan has mags cry in pain, but he's waving some power in front. that isn't his traditional shield. c'mon... the second set he's TALKING to tony. it's clear his shields aren't even up. the third tony prepped for him--still silly but whatever.
and claremont said they ORIGINALLY viewed her at storm level. did they envision storm being able to chump firelord too then? again, no proof at all she was at a lesser power level than when she fought the herald. and embarrassed him.
lol and superman was ko'd by a gas station. wtf are you getting at? this thread hasn't been your finest work....
on the plus side, you're right about dp and mags though. talk about phoenix had me thinking of something else. 👆
Originally posted by abhilegendIn the first feat, he send an EMP.
He was able to sense the entire EM spectrum and disrupted it throughout the world.In the second he also disrupted the EM spectrum but it was with a machine.
In the second feat, he merged with the magnetosphere.
They're not the same feat, and they don't necessitate the same level of power - made obvious by the fact that he used a machine for the second.
Your whole argument rests on them being equivalent feats, thus he was depowered for the 2nd because he needed the machine, when that is not the case.
You're purposely being blind. I'm not some Marvel fanboy you need to have the last words to or move the goalpost. And I have no reason go "nah nah" if you just admit you're wrong and move.
The fact that you can't is rather dissappointing.
Originally posted by abhilegendOk, this is where I peace out. This consumes time and is actively breaking my e-heart.
The depowerment happened because when Xavier mind wiped Magneto, it damaged his genetic code as well.That's why Magneto needed Sugar Man's tech to restore his genetic code in Magneto Dark Seduction.
I'm honestly tired of correcting you, then continuing to throw other shit at the wall. You've moved so far from your initial point, that you don't even know what you're arguing, you're a literal shit-hits-the-fan.
You're wrong here, as you've been wrong on literally every point you've made in this discussion.
Magneto wasn't depowered because of Xavier, that happened long before Magneto War, and in your own scan it says that Astral healed him from the damage Xavier had done, otherwise Joseph would have been a vegetable. He was depowered at the end of Magneto War when he used the machine/fought Joseph and the X-Men which damaged him, since he was channeling so much energy.
You can see that literally at the end of the storyline [X-Men #87] if you had read the goddamn thing:
The issue is specifically stated by the author as the moment he was depowered:
Have a good day, abhi. All of these pages have been dissappointing as shit.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Leave it to Rage to wank Thor to such a degree.
Iron man has repeatedly taken lightning blasts from Thor.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Iron%20Man%20Stats/BEEnergy03IMThor4.jpg
And even manipulate it.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation01IMThor4.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation01a.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation02a.jpgThere is no reason why Magneto can't do it.
I specifically mentioned that some writers have treated it as regular lighting, which sometimes it is, but a vast number of instances, it is anything but and is actually defined as divine in origin depending on how he summons it.
Thor speciiticially channeled a bolt into Iron Man that separated Diablo from the Destroyer that was forcibly draining every pantheon in existence and attaining omnipotence. How the is that relevant here or evidence of anything but Thor's power having a far higher power ceiling. And Iron Man having a historically impressive channeling capabilities (Briefly, because he has strict
Limits) even against superior energy manipulators to Magneto lile the Silver Surfer.
Also, what is your argument here? That Magneto can manipulate lightning? Of course. That's cool. Are you arguing he can do it better than Thor or match the limits of his power or that his shields can withstand it? A page ago you posted that Iron Man (Lol) can penetrate his shield....
