Originally posted by Inhuman
I said the hammer doesn't protect Thor in a 360 degree radius around his body.
minute 0:24.
Clearly there is a bubble arround Thor protecting him from Surtur's flaming sword. Am not seeing Thor's hair getting burnt, or his back.
Clearly you are biased fanboy who doesnt even know how Thor operates.
Please Boy! Inform yourself
If you cant even understand and grasp such a simple concept as Mjolnir protecting Thor, then its useless to adress your other MISUNDERSTOOD points.
But, dont worry, Your opinion is respected
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay we are just going in circles now.You haven't shown any viable feats of a hammerless pre-ragnarok Thor to make him win this battle.
He is outnumbered, and has no viable way of defeating the panthers. We shall continue this debate when you bring me compelling evidence.
Post data: Thor and IM don't have Vibranium daggers/claws.
We keep going around in circles because I keep listing down proof which you just keep ignoring. Then you go ahead and make ridiculous claims and not back them up. Want proof? Here, I'll re-list all the arguments I've made which you have failed to address. I bet you're going to ignore them again.
1. Thor is strong enough to hurt Hulk even without his hammer. He's punched and knee'd Hulk before which has rocked Hulk. That proves that Thor can knock out, if not kill the panthers with his fists since they've not been shown to be anywhere as durable as Hulk. If you disagree, please provide proof that the Panthers are as durable as Hulk if not more.
2. Thor easily crushed IM's armor with his barehands. Considering that IM's armor has withstood tank shells and numerous falling cars, Thor's casual display of strength shows that he can simply crush the panthers if he gets a hold of them. If you disagree, please show proof of the panther's suits being tougher than IM's.
3. Thor has been hit in the face with a full throw from Cap's shield without even getting a red line in the face. This proves that Thor has a high degree of durability vs. vibranium. If you want to claim that panther's claws can cut better than Cap's shield then please provide a feat that shows them cutting something massively tougher than what Cap's shield has done. Remember that Thor wasn't even hurt by Cap's shield throw, so the claws being better at cutting/penetrating by a bit won't be good enough. You have to show that they're far better at cutting/penetrating than Cap's shield.
4. Thor has ducked and dodged majority of hits from Hulk and Ironman. Thor has caught IM's punch in his hand (something that BP has never done). Thor has dodged ultronbot blasts. Thor has blocked chitauri blasts. All of these prove that Thor is not a slow fighter. He might not be as acrobatic as the panthers, that doesn't mean he is slower than them. If you disagree, please provide a feat that clearly shows a massive speed difference between Thor and the panthers.
5. Loki vs. Cap was a one sided fight. This proves 2 things: First, that Loki had no problems keeping up with Cap's speed and second, that Cap's hits were completely ineffective against Loki. Considering that Thor is generally considered the better melee fighter over Loki and that Cap and the panthers are generally considered roughly equal, so we already know how ineffective the panthers are going to be against Thor. If you disagree, please provide proof that the panthers are actually stronger and faster than Cap.
6. I've already proven that vibranium was only ever stated to be the strongest metal on Earth, not the entire universe. Considering that Thor has pretty much been resistant to every man-made weapon (even survived Ultron's vibranium explosion and IM's point blank blast to his face) then if you want to claim that panther claws can injure him enough to cause death then you need to back that up.
Now, I hope you actually reply with facts and proof instead of just covering your ears.
Edit:
7. Loki has stabbed Thor both with dagger and spear. Hela has impaled Thor with a spear and hit Thor full in the face with a sword. Thor was able to fight without issues even after all of these injuries. This is proof that 1-inch claws are not going to do much to slow Thor down. If you disagree, please provide proof that 1-inch vibranium claws are better weapons than Asgardian daggers and spears.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
https://youtu.be/2_rv1EZ3rv0minute 0:24.
Clearly there is a bubble arround Thor protecting him from Surtur's flaming sword. Am not seeing Thor's hair getting burnt, or his back.
Clearly you are biased fanboy who doesnt even know how Thor operates.
[B] Please Boy! Inform yourself
If you cant even understand and grasp such a simple concept as Mjolnir protecting Thor, then its useless to adress your other MISUNDERSTOOD points.
But, dont worry, Your opinion is respected [/B]
0:24 Doesnt show anything.
Seems you dont even know whats going on in your own video.
If you meant @ 1:05 then we see Thor spinning his hammer in order for him to be able to block Surters attack the way he did. The hammer spin block isnt the same as Thor swatting away blasts with his hammer or putting his hammer in front of him to block an attack.
You do realize this right? But this has nothing to do with the Sokovia blast Thor survived because Thor doesnt do the hammer spin block. Thor doesnt even put the hammer in front of him to block. If you have proof that he did anything to block the blast post it. And most importantly to block the blast all around him, 360 degrees.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
With Mjolnir i'd agreen entirely.Bare handed....Seriously?
You know that smashing both their heads against each other requires both hands right? Why would he need his hammer?
lulz, every reply you look more foolish 😬
Originally posted by Inhuman
0:24 Doesnt show anything.
Seems you dont even know whats going on in your own video.
If you meant @ 1:05 then we see Thor spinning his hammer in order for him to be able to block Surters attack the way he did. The hammer spin block isnt the same as Thor swatting away blasts with his hammer or putting his hammer in front of him to block an attack.
You do realize this right? But this has nothing to do with the Sokovia blast Thor survived because Thor doesnt do the hammer spin block. Thor doesnt even put the hammer in front of him to block. If you have proof that he did anything to block the blast post it. And most importantly to block the blast all around him, 360 degrees.You know that smashing both their heads against each other requires both hands right? Why would he need his hammer?
lulz, every reply you look more foolish 😬
1:09 that is.
Okay, clearly you dont even know what happened in Sokovia.
As I said, your opinion is respected.
Come back when you have actual evidence of Thor winning.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
1:09 that is.Okay, clearly you dont even know what happened in Sokovia.
As I said, your opinion is respected.
Come back when you have actual evidence of Thor winning.
Here is the scene.
Show me where Thor blocks the blast, or stop trolling.
0:23 you even see Thor's body being blown away by the force of the blast.
I have already said how Thor would win multiple times.
This is a spite thread against the Panthers.
/thread
Originally posted by Inhuman
Here is the scene.Show me where Thor blocks the blast, or stop trolling.
0:23 you even see Thor's body being blown away by the force of the blast.
I have already said how Thor would win multiple times.
This is a spite thread against the Panthers./thread
You are so stupid you can't realize that the hammer is between him and the blast.
Just like in the scenes with Surtur and the Destroyer the hammer has proven to be able to deflect energy blasts.
You clearly don't know your stuff boy
Don't waste my time and go inform yourself.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You are so stupid you can't realize that the hammer is between him and the blast.Just like in the scenes with Surtur and the Destroyer the hammer has proven to be able to deflect energy blasts.
[B] You clearly don't know your stuff boy
Don't waste my time and go inform yourself. [/B]
Give me what frame shows this in the video. I want to see what you are seeing.
I dont want any idiotic speculations, I want you to show me what part in the video shows the hammer blocking the blast.
Screen shot it or tell me what second it happens.
Speculations dont fly. Either show me where it shows what you are claiming or quit the dumb ass trolling. There was also no hammer twirling in this scene.
Get some glasses , watch the moves again , or lurk more and learn how to debate.
So far you're basically h1 jr. barker
Originally posted by FrothByte
We keep going around in circles because I keep listing down proof which you just keep ignoring. Then you go ahead and make ridiculous claims and not back them up. Want proof? Here, I'll re-list all the arguments I've made which you have failed to address. I bet you're going to ignore them again.1. Thor is strong enough to hurt Hulk even without his hammer. He's punched and knee'd Hulk before which has rocked Hulk. That proves that Thor can knock out, if not kill the panthers with his fists since they've not been shown to be anywhere as durable as Hulk. If you disagree, please provide proof that the Panthers are as durable as Hulk if not more.
2. Thor easily crushed IM's armor with his barehands. Considering that IM's armor has withstood tank shells and numerous falling cars, Thor's casual display of strength shows that he can simply crush the panthers if he gets a hold of them. If you disagree, please show proof of the panther's suits being tougher than IM's.
3. Thor has been hit in the face with a full throw from Cap's shield without even getting a red line in the face. This proves that Thor has a high degree of durability vs. vibranium. If you want to claim that panther's claws can cut better than Cap's shield then please provide a feat that shows them cutting something massively tougher than what Cap's shield has done. Remember that Thor wasn't even hurt by Cap's shield throw, so the claws being better at cutting/penetrating by a bit won't be good enough. You have to show that they're far better at cutting/penetrating than Cap's shield.
4. Thor has ducked and dodged majority of hits from Hulk and Ironman. Thor has caught IM's punch in his hand (something that BP has never done). Thor has dodged ultronbot blasts. Thor has blocked chitauri blasts. All of these prove that Thor is not a slow fighter. He might not be as acrobatic as the panthers, that doesn't mean he is slower than them. If you disagree, please provide a feat that clearly shows a massive speed difference between Thor and the panthers.
5. Loki vs. Cap was a one sided fight. This proves 2 things: First, that Loki had no problems keeping up with Cap's speed and second, that Cap's hits were completely ineffective against Loki. Considering that Thor is generally considered the better melee fighter over Loki and that Cap and the panthers are generally considered roughly equal, so we already know how ineffective the panthers are going to be against Thor. If you disagree, please provide proof that the panthers are actually stronger and faster than Cap.
6. I've already proven that vibranium was only ever stated to be the strongest metal on Earth, not the entire universe. Considering that Thor has pretty much been resistant to every man-made weapon (even survived Ultron's vibranium explosion and IM's point blank blast to his face) then if you want to claim that panther claws can injure him enough to cause death then you need to back that up.
Now, I hope you actually reply with facts and proof instead of just covering your ears.
The reason why we are going in circles is because you keep bringing unrelated and invalid evidence.
Either way, let's see what you've got.
1. Yes he has, yet nothing serious enough to harm the Hulk. A couple of punches and what's not. Surely Thor would land some good punches on the panthers, am not arguing otherwise. Yet, it's not enough feat to make it serious for the panthers.
2. The Gold Titanium IM suit shouldn't be tougher than the Panther's suit according to the Black Panther movie. So, irrelevant feat. But i would agree that Thor punches would be heavy.
3. See? This is why we are going in circles.
You can't compare a shield with a knife or claw! They are different tools meant for different purposes.
A shield isn't a cutting device, so your feat is IRRELEVANT.
4. I never said Thor was a snail, i said the Panthers are faster. IRRELEVANT.
5. A. Thor isn't a better fighter than Loki.
B. Thor isn't faster than Loki.
C. The panthers are arguably faster than Captain America.
Irrelevant to bring the Loki vs Cap feat here.
6. Vibranium>>>Asgardian Metal based on feats. Or do you disagree??
If a random knife could cut Thor, then a Vib weapon could too.
Thor ain't impenetrable, doesn't matter how much you want to wail about it.
Stop avoiding and trying to circle things out Froth. Again, you haven't brought any solid evidence Froth.
You are trying to bring an A + B = C + D type of thing, but the problem is that there are mathematic errors in your formula.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The reason why we are going in circles is because you keep bringing unrelated and invalid evidence.Either way, let's see what you've got.
1. Yes he has, yet nothing serious enough to harm the Hulk. A couple of punches and what's not. Surely Thor would land some good punches on the panthers, am not arguing otherwise. Yet, it's not enough feat to make it serious for the panthers.
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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
2. The Gold Titanium IM suit shouldn't be tougher than the Panther's suit according to the Black Panther movie. So, irrelevant feat. But i would agree that Thor punches would be heavy.
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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
3. See? This is why we are going in circles.You can't compare a shield with a knife or claw! They are different tools meant for different purposes.
A shield isn't a cutting device, so your feat is IRRELEVANT.
[/B] [/B]
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
4. I never said Thor was a snail, i said the Panthers are faster. IRRELEVANT.
[/B] [/B]
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
5. A. Thor isn't a better fighter than Loki.
B. Thor isn't faster than Loki.
C. The panthers are arguably faster than Captain America.Irrelevant to bring the Loki vs Cap feat here.
[/B] [/B]
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
6. Vibranium>>>Asgardian Metal based on feats. Or do you disagree??If a random knife could cut Thor, then a Vib weapon could too.
Thor ain't impenetrable, doesn't matter how much you want to wail about it. [/B] [/B]
Disagree. Asgardian melee weapons > vibranium melee weapons as per feats. Loki doesn't use a random knife, or have you not watched the movies yet? And once again, you keep neglecting to factor in the strength of the knife wielder. It's almost as if you know you'll lose the debate so you intentionally ignore it.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Stop avoiding and trying to circle things out Froth. Again, you haven't brought any solid evidence Froth.You are trying to bring an A + B = C + D type of thing, but the problem is that there are mathematic errors in your formula.
[/B]
See, what did I tell you? I knew you'd try to duck and dodge again. I provided proof, you replied with pure opinion and zero proof. I guess you don't know how debates work. Do you even know what providing proof means?
Originally posted by FrothByte\
You do know that boxers and MMA fighters take more than a few punches to seriously hurt each other right? No different for Hulk and Thor. I'm still waiting for you to prove that the panthers can tank hits from Thor. Right off the bat you're immediately dodging.Prove that the panther's suits are tougher than IM's suit. Prove, as in provide feats.
And yet that shield has cut more stuff than the BP's claws have. Again, waiting for you to prove that their claws are better cutting weapons than the shield.
Prove that the panthers are faster.
A: prove that Loki is a better fighter
B. prove that Loki is faster
C: prove that the panthers are faster than CADisagree. Asgardian melee weapons > vibranium melee weapons as per feats. Loki doesn't use a random knife, or have you not watched the movies yet? And once again, you keep neglecting to factor in the strength of the knife wielder. It's almost as if you know you'll lose the debate so you intentionally ignore it.
See, what did I tell you? I knew you'd try to duck and dodge again. I provided proof, you replied with pure opinion and zero proof. I guess you don't know how debates work. Do you even know what providing proof means?
Why shouldn't they? It's Vibranium they are sorrounded with! Vibranium absorbs KE! Sure, the suits aren't 100% E absorbant! But there is no evidence to claim Thor's punches will be serious.
Vibranium is the strongest metal on Earth according to BP (Note i give you the benefit of the doubt). Also we saw Cap's Shield penetrating IM's suit. The Shield itself wasn't harm, therefore Vib>Gold Titanium.
T'Challa's encounter with Bucky, where he proved to be more agile and faster! Bucky on the other hand can rival Cap who is as fast as Loki who is faster than Thor.
I've already proven that Loki is a better fighter than Thor.
Go watch Avengers and Thor.
You keep avoiding things. Vib>Asgardian metal, therefore Vib weapon SHOULD be able to penetrate Thor.
I guess it's useless to debate with you when Thor is concerned.
You guys get too biased and blinded!
We shall talk when you bring compelling evidence.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Give me what frame shows this in the video. I want to see what you are seeing.
I dont want any idiotic speculations, I want you to show me what part in the video shows the hammer blocking the blast.
Screen shot it or tell me what second it happens.Speculations dont fly. Either show me where it shows what you are claiming or quit the dumb ass trolling. There was also no hammer twirling in this scene.
Get some glasses , watch the moves again , or lurk more and learn how to debate.
So far you're basically h1 jr. barker
With what did Thor striked Sokovia? What was touching the ground when the blast occured?
Also, the blast itself isn't that harmful it appears. Iron Man was just below the blast and suffer no apparent damage.
H1!!!!? BAHAHAHAHA. If that's so then you are Silent Master jr!
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
\Why shouldn't they? It's Vibranium they are sorrounded with! Vibranium absorbs KE! Sure, the suits aren't 100% E absorbant! But there is no evidence to claim Thor's punches will be serious.
Vibranium is the strongest metal on Earth according to BP (Note i give you the benefit of the doubt). Also we saw Cap's Shield penetrating IM's suit. The Shield itself wasn't harm, therefore Vib>Gold Titanium.
T'Challa's encounter with Bucky, where he proved to be more agile and faster! Bucky on the other hand can rival Cap who is as fast as Loki who is faster than Thor.
I've already proven that Loki is a better fighter than Thor.
Go watch Avengers and Thor.
You keep avoiding things. Vib>Asgardian metal, therefore Vib weapon SHOULD be able to penetrate Thor.
I guess it's useless to debate with you when Thor is concerned.
You guys get too biased and blinded!
We shall talk when you bring compelling evidence.
Proof, dude. You need to provide proof. I don't mind that you disagree with me, but at least do me the courtesy of providing proof for your claims the same way I provided proof for mine.
You have yet to provide proof that the panther suits can withstand hits as strong as Thor's. You have yet to prove that the bp suits are stronger than IM's. You have yet to prove that their claws can cut better than Cap's shield. You have yet to prove that the panthers are fast enough to not get hit by Thor (hint: BP was not fast enough to escape getting hit by Cap). No proof whatsoever that the panthers are strong enough to hurt Thor even with their claws.
In short, no one cares about your arguments if you can't back them up with proof.
Edit: I do acknowledge that you provided your proof that Loki is faster than Thor. I don't agree with it, and I think it's silly that you're using a reluctant Thor as proof that he's slower, but at least you made the effort to actually back it up. You need to do the same with your other arguments.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Proof, dude. You need to provide proof. I don't mind that you disagree with me, but at least do me the courtesy of providing proof for your claims the same way I provided proof for mine.You have yet to provide proof that the panther suits can withstand hits as strong as Thor's. You have yet to prove that the bp suits are stronger than IM's. You have yet to prove that their claws can cut better than Cap's shield. You have yet to prove that the panthers are fast enough to not land hits on Thor (hint: BP was not fast enough to escape getting hit by Cap). No proof whatsoever that the panthers are strong enough to hurt Thor even with their claws.
In short, no one cares about your arguments if you can't back them up with proof.
He is a h1/quan style troll. in that be believes his massively biased opinions and speculation is actually proof.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Proof, dude. You need to provide proof. I don't mind that you disagree with me, but at least do me the courtesy of providing proof for your claims the same way I provided proof for mine.You have yet to provide proof that the panther suits can withstand hits as strong as Thor's. You have yet to prove that the bp suits are stronger than IM's. You have yet to prove that their claws can cut better than Cap's shield. You have yet to prove that the panthers are fast enough to not land hits on Thor (hint: BP was not fast enough to escape getting hit by Cap). No proof whatsoever that the panthers are strong enough to hurt Thor even with their claws. I do acknowledge that you provided your proof that Loki is faster than Thor. I don't agree with it, but at least you made the effort to actually back it up. You need to do the same with your other arguments.
In short, no one cares about your arguments if you can't back them up with proof.
Ive shown you clear videos Froth! CLEAR. Dont turn the blind eye now.
Regarding T'Challa's speed, go rewatch Civil War.
Everything else, ive proven in previous replies.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ive shown you clear videos Froth! CLEAR. Dont turn the blind eye now.Regarding T'Challa's speed, go rewatch Civil War.
Everything else, ive proven in previous replies.
What videos have shown that the panther suits can tank hits strong enough to rock Hulk?
What videos have shown that the panther suits are tougher than IM's?
What videos show that the panther claws can cut better than Cap's shield?
I watched CW, nothing in there shows panther to be some kind of speedster that Thor can't hit. Or are you judging his speed based mainly on how well he does flying spin kicks?