Originally posted by Blindside12
How do I know BW could have taken them down? Based on her feats like killing aliens and taking on The Winter Soldier, thats how I know.
So you think BW can easily take down agents like May or Ward or Daisy within a few seconds?
P.S. - BW was completely outclassed by WS. She looked like a kid against him.
Originally posted by Blindside12
As if May and Daisy would have not been one shotted by WS?She at least survived and evaded capture and death as he was ready to kill her.
You didn't answer the question: Do you think BW can take out Daisy or May in only a few seconds?
Also, the first time BW went up against WS, she snuck up on him and blindsided him... and she still got thrown out like a kid. The 2nd time she went up against him it was 2 on 1 and she still wasn't able to do anything to him. In a straight up, 1 on 1 fight, WS would one-shot BW.
Not a few seconds but she could take them out, Id be willing to say she could take both out one after the other.
So now featless shield agents are on the level of May, Daisy and BW?
In a straight up 1 on one fight, WS would one shot May or Daisy, so whats your point?
You are only doing this because you are trying to keep depowered Thor in this certain bracket that he was the only one capable of pulling that feat off. Sorry but HE ISNT.
Originally posted by Blindside12
Not a few seconds but she could take them out, Id be willing to say she could take both out one after the other.So now featless shield agents are on the level of May, Daisy and BW?
In a straight up 1 on one fight, WS would one shot May or Daisy, so whats your point?
You are only doing this because you are trying to keep depowered Thor in this certain bracket that he was the only one capable of pulling that feat off. Sorry but HE ISNT.
Every SHIELD agent we've seen fight have been a skilled fighter. Black Widow, Hawkeye, Daisy, Triplette, May, May's evil doppleganger, Ward, Rumlow, Sharon Carter, Nick Fury, Bobbie Morse, Maria Hill, etc. Even a non-combatant like Coulson is capable of easily mowing down fodder. Heck, even an engineer like Mack is a skilled fighter.
Considering that those men Coulson had were some of his best, logic dictates that their skill level would be on a similar level... and Thor one-shot most of them.
You originally claimed BW could replicate that feat, but now that I mention some of the agents we know of you think she can't one-shot them... so which is it?
I'm not saying Thor wins this fight, but you're massively lowballing his SHIELD fight since we know just how good a fighter SHIELD field agents are. I mean, name me one SHIELD field agent who's not a proficient fighter.
Originally posted by Blindside12
Hammer Agents are Thugs and Gangsters now? Fighting Bucky is Thugs and gansters? Surviving being backhanded by Hulk is Thugs and Gagsters? Fighting Aliens is Thugs and Gangsters? Fighting Hawkeye is Thugs and Gangsters?Oh and please quote me calling any of the shield agents "Thugs and Gangsters."
Here's your direct quote:
I'm 100% certain she can take down shield agents without weapons. As she was handcuffed to a chair with guns on her and managed to take them all out without zero fcks given.
Where did I say they were gangsters and Thugs, plz quote.
Please provide these answers as not a dodge quote.
Hammer Agents are Thugs and Gangsters now? Fighting Bucky is Thugs and gansters? Surviving being backhanded by Hulk is Thugs and Gagsters? Fighting Aliens is Thugs and Gangsters? Fighting Hawkeye is Thugs and Gangsters?
Originally posted by Blindside12
Where did I say they were gangsters and Thugs, plz quote.Please provide these answers as not a dodge quote.
Hammer Agents are Thugs and Gangsters now? Fighting Bucky is Thugs and gansters? Surviving being backhanded by Hulk is Thugs and Gagsters? Fighting Aliens is Thugs and Gangsters? Fighting Hawkeye is Thugs and Gangsters?
You're hedging. That is not what you said. This is what you said:
I'm 100% certain she can take down shield agents without weapons. As she was handcuffed to a chair with guns on her and managed to take them all out without zero fcks given.
And anyone who's watched Avengers knows that the thugs BW fought in that warehouse weren't SHIELD agents. Just admit you were wrong and we can move forward. I don't even know why you're not bringing Hulk and Bucky in this discussion, BW was clearly helpless against them. It's not like she gave a good showing against Hulk or WS.
So lets disscect what I said, vs what you think I said.
"I'm 100% certain she can take down shield agents without weapons. As she was handcuffed to a chair with guns on her and managed to take them all out without zero fcks given."
First sentence: I'm 100% certain she can take down shield agents without weapons. What makes you relate this statement to Thugs and gangsters?
Second Sentence: As she was handcuffed to a chair with guns on her and managed to take them all out without zero fcks given.
True statement. She took down military personal with guns while being hancuffed. Its a pretty impressive feat.
So please restate this "you think shield agents are Thugs and Gangsters" and then tell me how Hammer Agents are Thugs and Gangsters now? Fighting Bucky is Thugs and gansters? Surviving being backhanded by Hulk is Thugs and Gagsters? Fighting Aliens is Thugs and Gangsters? Fighting Hawkeye is Thugs and Gangsters?
Why am I bringing hulk into this, because her damage soak kept her conscious after a hulk backhand into a metal wall.
Originally posted by FrothByte
How do you know? Those SHIELD agents were supposedly some of Coulson's best men. If you watch AoS, you can see just how good some of Coulson's best personnel are. Even a half trained Daisy was already beating up thugs like a pro.Thor took out those SHIELD agents as easily as Bucky took out Sharon Carter.
Supposedly is the key word. You know we don't debate like this. Thor took down people that doesn't have any showings. Let's not pretend he fought a group of Bruce Lee's. With that said, Tchalla actually fought and defeated someone who is damn near super human. There is no comparison between the two. Panther stomps.
Originally posted by KingD19👆 let's not forget, he was using the equivalent of a phucking stick to beat up trained warriors that were armed with energy shields and wakandan weapons. Panther still beat him rather handily.
M'Baku is the most skilled of the most war-like tribe in Wakanda. And had actual super strength. He was walking through W'Kabi's warriors who had Vibranium weapons and were trying to kill him. How is beating no name agents with normal strength who want to bring you in alive comparable or better?
Here is the Thor dialogue bit:
"Highly trained professionals" could simply refer to SHIELD agent standard in general. As pointed out in this thread already, even recruits have a degree of training. So, how does this comment alone put these guys on par with people like May or Ward?
You know exactly what I mean. That statement could simply mean general SHIELD agent standard.
So, again, how does a single statement from 2011 (two years before AoS even started) alone put them on par with top level SHIELD agents with multiple seasons worth of feats, including fights against superhuman opponents?
Because I am not arguing that they aren't trained and skilled. But the notion that a single statement = multiple seasons worth of feats is reaching.