Why dont we ban alcohol?

Started by Emperordmb3 pages

Originally posted by dadudemon
Great thread idea.

This is important. How do we reduce alcohol related deaths? Prohibition, as I posted about recently, does not work at all. It fails horribly. But how do you greatly reduce those deaths?

The problem is improper use of alcohol or improper actions due to alcohol. So how do you target that problem? The "PSA"s don't work....or do they? Anyone know?

I do know that self-driving cars will greatly impact alcohol related deaths. So there's that.

Anyone else have ideas?


Legalize weed.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Legalize weed.

I not happen. The cigarettes company would lose to much money, and by proxy, all those Senators the cigarettes company gives money to.

Originally posted by dadudemon

The problem is improper use of alcohol or improper actions due to alcohol. So how do you target that problem? The "PSA"s don't work....or do they? Anyone know?

I do know that self-driving cars will greatly impact alcohol related deaths. So there's that.

Anyone else have ideas? [/B]

Raising alcohol tax? A study here looks into a possibility of a 25% increase and mentions other studies suggesting a doubling of the rates, which would still leave America with a low rate by international standards.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3794433/

Of current drinkers in the U.S., 50.4% (or approximately 25% of the total U.S. population) were classified as higher-risk drinkers. The tax increase would result in a 9.2% reduction in alcohol consumption, including an 11.4% reduction in heavy drinking.

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A meta-analysis of 50 publications found that doubling the alcohol excise tax would reduce alcohol-related mortality by an average of 35%, traffic crash deaths by 11%, sexually transmitted disease by 6%, violence by 2%, and crime by 1.4%.10 Furthermore, a comprehensive review found an inverse relationship between alcohol price and consumption, and determined that a 10% increase in alcohol prices would result in a 3% to 10% decrease in overall consumption.

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Raising the price of alcohol through taxation is a highly effective strategy by which to reduce excessive drinking and related harms. A 25 cent-per-drink tax increase would result in more than a 10% reduction in heavy drinking, which would yield a substantial public health benefit for a behavior that currently leads to approximately 79,000 deaths annually in the U.S.2 However, it is likely that the morbidity and mortality benefits would exceed that suggested by the change in consumption, since absolute consumption would decrease most among those who drink the most and who incur most alcohol-attributable consequences.10

Perhaps hypothecate the additional revenues to mental health services and PSAs. Or simply refunnel them in a way that eases the regressivity of the tax (tax offsets elsewhere).

Originally posted by SquallX
I not happen. The cigarettes company would lose to much money, and by proxy, all those Senators the cigarettes company gives money to.

Phillip Morris has pledged to stop making cigarettes and move into smokeless tobacco, the tobacco industry might be losing their grip on weed.

Originally posted by SquallX
I not happen. The cigarettes company would lose to much money, and by proxy, all those Senators the cigarettes company gives money to.
That's high incentive to legalise weed.

Re: Why dont we ban alcohol?

Originally posted by Blindside12
It kills 88,000 people a year.

https://goo.gl/oMs3EL

Because it didn't work the first time.

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Originally posted by SquallX
I not happen. The cigarettes company would lose to much money, and by proxy, all those Senators the cigarettes company gives money to.

Smoking Ciggs makes people happy. I don't understand why those Mean Leftists have to put such a Hate Rag on them.

Mean old Fascist Leftists trying to take stuff away from people that makes em happy.


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Has FlyAttractor just gone full retard?

He's always on full retard mode

He just seems more full retard than normal

you sure you wanna alienate one of your 3 friends here, xyz?

Wtf, Rightists calling Fly a retard, does not compute beep boop.

Obesity and obesity related illnesses kill far more people than alcohol. Why don't we ban junk food? Or tax the hell out of it like cigs and whack people $10 for a big Mac?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Legalize weed.

Legalize it and I will advertise it.

Originally posted by lazybones
Raising alcohol tax? A study here looks into a possibility of a 25% increase and mentions other studies suggesting a doubling of the rates, which would still leave America with a low rate by international standards.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3794433/

Perhaps hypothecate the additional revenues to mental health services and PSAs. Or simply refunnel them in a way that eases the regressivity of the tax (tax offsets elsewhere).

Sounds like a damn good idea. If the research is there, why not?

Portugal is a good example of how to stop drug related deaths:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/22/opinion/sunday/portugal-drug-decriminalization.html

Do some of the lessons learned in Portugal apply to the US?

But, yes, "health clinics" dedicated to helping people sober up are an effective solution. It works damn well. Funnel that money to healthcare. Treat drug addictions as health problems and not criminal problems (because they are health problems).

If conservatives really wanted to save lives, they'd end the war on drugs and implement universal healthcare.

Idk if it's really that simple dadudemon...

Re: Why dont we ban alcohol?

Originally posted by Blindside12
It kills 88,000 people a year.

WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING

"Deep thinkers of all stripes are heavy into accommodation and compromise. So I would like to propose a meeting of the minds on the issue of gun control.

Presently, those who defend the Second Amendment are reluctant to give up any ground because they fear that the gun control agenda is a type of incrementalism leading to absolute control of gun ownership. The people in the anti-gun lobby should understand this because of their demand for unrestricted abortion rights, which is similarly illogical but also related to the same fear of incremental erosion.

I am required to inform you that what follows is satire.

I would be willing to give up gun ownership rights if the other side would be willing to ban alcohol. Both would require a change in the Constitution, but given the enthusiasm to restrict the Second Amendment, this should be no major problem.

Both alcohol and guns are killers. Drinkers and gun owners claim to be responsible, but we all know better. If anything, a much greater percentage of drinkers will engage in unlawful behavior while in the presence of alcohol than gun owners in the presence of guns.

Figures vary, but about 40 percent of all traffic fatalities involve alcohol. It is currently illegal to drive while using this drug, but deaths continue to occur because a large number of alcohol users simply wink at the law.

There are about 25,000 direct deaths due to alcohol per year. An estimated 75,000 deaths per year are alcohol related. The near-fatal consequences of alcohol use result in 1.2 million visits to U.S. emergency rooms every year.

In 2010, supposedly about 400 people were murdered with a rifle in the United States, and almost 6,000 with a pistol. About two-thirds of all suicides involve a gun, but most of these also involve drugs and alcohol.

Another possible compromise would be to limit some guns in exchange for some alcohol.

For example, there is no need whatsoever for extreme alcohol products like vodka. Not only does it take food products out of circulation in a world with an epidemic of hunger, its alcohol content cannot be justified for any lawful purpose.

I would also suggest that any wine costing more than $20 a bottle be banned. Anything over that simply means that the manufacturers are taking advantage of consumer naiveté by pushing a product that takes very little to produce, to customers who have been socialized to accept this as a sign of sophistication.

Besides, rich people buy this stuff and we all are well aware of the evil greed of the rich.

Another possible compromise could be a trade-off between how many bullets a gun owner could have and how much alcohol a person could own and store at any given time. Of course, sales of alcohol in public venues without background checks would need to be forcefully banned.

But prohibition didn’t work, you say. We can’t ban alcohol. It was tried once and it failed.

Really?

Are you suggesting that if a program failed once, we can’t continue to push for it? This is 2013.

We have evolved. We are better and more moral than our grandparents. We can make this work.

Besides, I would ask you to look into the eyes of tens of thousands of children whose lives have been ruined by the legal consumption of alcohol and then be cold-hearted and uncaring enough to tell me that banning alcohol would not work.

If just one life could be saved, we have a moral obligation to ban all alcohol consumption.

So, let’s reason together. People with guns kill people. People with alcohol kill people. People kill people. We can’t ban people, so let’s ban guns and alcohol, and let us start with the one that kills the most people first — alcohol.

Law-abiding citizens would, of course, stop drinking, and law breakers would have access to less alcohol — a win-win."

http://wcfcourier.com/news/opinion/clayson/ban-alcohol-in-exchange-for-banning-guns/article_6db05f14-6c87-11e2-9639-001a4bcf887a.html