While it can be argued that Tony wasn't trying to kill Cap and therefore held back, Cap still has several impressive durability feats:
-Chitauri rifle blast to the gut
-Repeated punches from WS' metal arm (it can dent concrete and IM's armor)
-4 bullets and iirc, 2 knife stabbings
Also of note, unarmored T'Challa did worse against WS than shieldless Cap did.
Originally posted by Robtard
How would you rank MCU's various super-soldier/human formulas in terms of power/abilities provided to the recipient?-Method used to create the Red Skull
-Method used to create Captain America
-Method used to create the Winter Soldiers
-Method used to create the Black Panthers
Cap's SSS is the best. Red Skull tried to replicate the formula, we also know that the Hulk was the result of a failure attempt to recreate the formula.
We've seen Cap reaching levels of resistance, strength, and agility unrival by the other Super Soldiers.
Originally posted by Robtard
While it can be argued that Tony wasn't trying to kill Cap and therefore held back, Cap still has several impressive durability feats:-Chitauri rifle blast to the gut
-Repeated punches from WS' metal arm (it can dent concrete and IM's armor)
-4 bullets and iirc, 2 knife stabbingsAlso of note, unarmored T'Challa did worse against WS than shieldless Cap did.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
IDK Red Skull was pretty evenly matched against Cap in hand to hand, and Cap even had his shield. He even seemed to have the edge for the majority of the fight, with Cap getting in a hit here and there. It's either Cap or him IMO, though I'm leaning towards Red Skull.
Yes but Red Skull's serum didn't convert him from a 90 pound asthmatic weakling. Meaning the serum improved him less than it did Steve.
Red Skull seemed comparable to Steve in the first film. But Steve in the first film also visibly strained to bend an already partially bent piece of railing, but can currently pin down helicopters. Also, Steve is a WAY better fighter than he was back then, so there is no guarantee a rematch would go even remotely the same as the first fight did. Cap has become far more skilled, experienced and used to his powers since then.
Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't Red Skull's serum make him Cap's equal, it just phucked his face up/skin?
No.
The serum Red Skull took wasn't the same Cap took. Cap's serum is the original one.
Red Skull on the other had took an "imperfect" version of the serum.
He got super abilities that's for sure, but it was never cap's equal.
Originally posted by Josh_AlexanderIt's beside the point whether they were different serums.
No.The serum Red Skull took wasn't the same Cap took. Cap's serum is the original one.
Red Skull on the other had took an "imperfect" version of the serum.
He got super abilities that's for sure, but it was never cap's equal.
He appeared to be his equal.
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerWell yea, probably because he kept training.
Red Skull seemed comparable to Steve in the first film. But Steve in the first film also visibly strained to bend an already partially bent piece of railing, but can currently pin down helicopters. Also, Steve is a WAY better fighter than he was back then, so there is no guarantee a rematch would go even remotely the same as the first fight did. Cap has become far more skilled, experienced and used to his powers since then.
Originally posted by FrothByteThis is actually a great point. From what we can tell, the other SS serums were used on already fairly fit, strong men (or was Panther also a weak manlet? Not seen yet). Cap's SS serum was applied to a 90 pound five foot tall asthmatic weakling who couldn't win a fight with a thirteen year old girl. That Cap's serum arguably has the best physical feats of any serum user independently while also having by far the least formidable base form clinches it tbh.
Cap's serum was able to change a man's bone structure and muscle mass. None of the other ss solutions were strong enough to do that.
Imagine if Bucky was given the serum instead of Steve. He'd be over seven feet tall and be able to toss tanks around.