Originally posted by NemeBro
This is actually a great point. From what we can tell, the other SS serums were used on already fairly fit, strong men (or was Panther also a weak manlet? Not seen yet). Cap's SS serum was applied to a 90 pound five foot tall asthmatic weakling who couldn't win a fight with a thirteen year old girl. That Cap's serum arguably has the best physical feats of any serum user independently while also having by far the least formidable base form clinches it tbh.Imagine if Bucky was given the serum instead of Steve. He'd be over seven feet tall and be able to toss tanks around.
It's also important to note, I think, that all Red Skull seemed to do in the flashback in CA:TFA was inject himself intravenously with the SS.
Meanwhile Cap was injected, put in some sort of suped-up iron maiden, and blasted with laser beams. Might also help explain the significant changes in height, mass, and bone density.
Originally posted by Mindset
It's beside the point whether they were different serums.He appeared to be his equal.
Well yea, probably because he kept training.
Yeah, they were stats wise comparable.
The problem is that the serum Red Skull took gave him mental issues. The serum wasn't optimized/perfect. In contrast Cap was given the optimum serum, the correct one.
See it like Red Skull took a prototype of Cap's serum.
Originally posted by Robtard
While it can be argued that Tony wasn't trying to kill Cap and therefore held back, Cap still has several impressive durability feats:-Chitauri rifle blast to the gut
-Repeated punches from WS' metal arm (it can dent concrete and IM's armor)
-4 bullets and iirc, 2 knife stabbingsAlso of note, unarmored T'Challa did worse against WS than shieldless Cap did.
Fiction isn't consistent as real life physics are.
A character busting a planet in one scene with a punch does not mean they are applying that same level of force in another scene. You can't equate feats with other feats. Rather, you can use the average showing to equate in another feat.
Characters physical stats are PLOT base and fluctuate from scene to scene.
On average, Cap's skin is not much more durable than a human's.
He can be cut very easily, bullets pass through him just as easy as a human, etc. His muscles are tougher and more durable, possibly his bones too.
I would say that WS punching Cap with metal arm is a low showing for WS and not a high one for Cap.
In what part did WS dent IM armor?
Re: MCU Super Soldier Ranking
Originally posted by Robtard
How would you rank MCU's various super-soldier/human formulas in terms of power/abilities provided to the recipient?-Method used to create the Red Skull
-Method used to create Captain America
-Method used to create the Winter Soldiers
-Method used to create the Black Panthers
Cap
BP
RS
WS
But if you judge strength on leaping ability then
BP
Cap
RS
WS