Originally posted by darthgoober
Screw Firefly, he's got no control over the situation. I'm pissed that the DOJ is wasting money investigating such a clear issue rather than taking action. ***** should already be in jail...
I call it the DoUJ
Department of Un-Justice, and its a sad state of affairs.
Every career person in there needs to be arrested.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Because blind equivocated violent crime and crossing a border as equally heinous acts. I admitted they’re both considered illegal, but crossing a border is not immoral in the way that killing someone is immoral.Radical position?
I guess I'm confused. Your 10 commandment comment was in response to this:
Originally posted by Blindside12
Crossing the border illegally isnt a crime now?
And he was responding to you saying this:
Originally posted by Firefly218
Because ICE doesn’t just target felons, it also targets innocents
I don't see how this is saying that crossing the border is the same as violent crime.
Originally posted by Surtur
I guess I'm confused. Your 10 commandment comment was in response to this:And he was responding to you saying this:
I don't see how this is saying that crossing the border is the same as murder.
You caught him lying, now he will defect, change the subject or ignore the post. Those are his only options.
Originally posted by Blindside12
You caught him lying, now he will defect, change the subject or ignore the post. Those are his only options.
Plus ICE tends to go after violent illegals. But they also aren't willing to look the other way if they come across non-violent illegals while pursuing the violent ones.
I have yet to see a valid argument put forth as to why that is wrong. My only issue would be if there was a situation where ICE ignored violent illegals in order to go after a non violent illegal. But I haven't heard of them ever placing the capture of non-violent illegals as a higher priority than that of the violent ones.
Originally posted by SurturI think felons deserve to be targeted but not innocent immigrants.
I guess I'm confused. Your 10 commandment comment was in response to this:And he was responding to you saying this:
I don't see how this is saying that crossing the border is the same as violent crime.
Blind then implied that innocent immigrant are felons too just because crossing the border is illegal.
I then introduced the Commandments as a moral instrument to dispel his equivence of innocent immigrants to violent felons.
I mean, I’m not sure if you’re playing dumb to “get” me or something. But I’ve only been reasonable here.
Originally posted by SurturBecause many non-violent illegals are good people and punishing them and tearing apart their lives and families just because of your principles is wrong. Some of my best friends are undocumented immigrants and I would personally feel like shit if the government kicked them out, these are people trying to get an education and have productive careers and contribute to American society
Plus ICE tends to go after violent illegals. But they also aren't willing to look the other way if they come across non-violent illegals while pursuing the violent ones.I have yet to see a valid argument put forth as to why that is wrong. My only issue would be if there was a situation where ICE ignored violent illegals in order to go after a non violent illegal. But I haven't heard of them ever placing the capture of non-violent illegals as a higher priority than that of the violent ones.
Originally posted by Firefly218
I think felons deserve to be targeted but not innocent immigrants.Blind then implied that innocent immigrant are felons too just because crossing the border is illegal.
I then introduced the Commandments as a moral instrument to dispel his equivence of innocent immigrants to violent felons.
I mean, I’m not sure if you’re playing dumb to “get” me or something. But I’ve only been reasonable here.
You say you're being reasonable, but this person did not ever argue what you have said.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Because many non-violent illegals are good people and punishing them and tearing apart their lives and families just because of your principles is wrong. Some of my best friends are undocumented immigrants and I would personally feel like shit if the government kicked them out, these are people trying to get an education and have productive careers and contribute to American society
It's just weird that you think ICE should ignore illegals they come across unless they've committed a violent crime.
You say they just want to contribute, come here legally then. The people who go through that process just to be a citizen also want to contribute, and they went about it the right way. What gives your friends the right to bypass that? And no, if it takes a long time that is not an excuse.
And btw you talk about violent illegals, what about DUI's? Does an illegal immigrant who has gotten a DUI deserve to stay?
Originally posted by Surtur
I'm curious...are there any estimates at the number of illegals that have been deported and then come back into the country without permission? Because that is a felony.
Borders are political, so even if its a felony, that law is also political so its not really a crimes to him. Could we just get all the liberals to move to Mexico?
Originally posted by Blindside12
Borders are political, so even if its a felony, that law is also political so its not really a crimes to him.
I found this article that has some numbers:
For Immigrants Who Return After Deportation, Little Chance at Due Process, Say Advocates
"The first time an immigrant enters the country and is met by Border Patrol, they are charged with a petty misdemeanor. For entering the country a second time, an immigrant can be charged with a felony. This comes with a 20-year-entry bar, and about two years of jail time. In the first six months of fiscal year 2014, "illegal re-entry" charges were higher than misdemeanor entry charges."
So it's clearly quite common for an illegal to have either been deported at least once...or to have left the country(for whatever reason, like visiting family) and then come back. Which is a felony.
"Research conducted by the Pew Center put the number of immigrants tried for "illegal re-entry" in 2012 at 19,463, a 28-fold increase from 1992. "
Geez, nearly 20,000....and those are only the ones we caught. I wonder if people think non-violent felons should be ignored too.
Could we just get all the liberals to move to Mexico? [/B]
You remember how before Trump won...you had some leftists saying if he won they would leave the country? Notice none of them ever said "I'm gonna move to Mexico" lol, they always said Canada.
Originally posted by Surtur
Trump needs to find a way to penalize sanctuary cities.
He tried, then some leftist judge ruled against upholding federal law😂
Originally posted by Blindside12
Read it.
I approve of this, but I noticed this:
"The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the immigrant detainees and asylum seekers can't be detained indefinitely and that they have a right to a bond hearing every six months. The appellate court also held that in order to hold these detainees, the government must show that the immigrants would pose a danger or become a flight risk if set free.
The Obama administration appealed to the high court, insisting that Congress — not the courts — has the power to make immigration law and that the law allows the government to detain "criminal and terrorist aliens" as well as "aliens seeking admission to the United States."
Notice the first sentence of that second paragraph? The Obama administration appealed to the court insisting Congress and not the courts has the power to make immigration law. So uh, why didn't they leave it up to Congress as to whether or not to do something like DACA?
Just watch this